Nope, not missing the point. It is posted on an SSPX site, I could’nt care less who said it. It is unfortunate to even post the article given the precarious state of things. Hoping for reunification, just praying that the SSPX can humble itself and shut it’s mouth long enough to get this done.
You expect the SSPX to defend its points then blast it for their argument being “posted on an SSPX site?” Where else is it supposed to post its literature?
Ok, in the meantime I have managed to google the original article.
No, I do not expect them to defend their points at this time. Only to Rome and wait. They should be in a holding pattern here. Anything else only muddies the water.You expect the SSPX to defend its points then blast it for their argument being “posted on an SSPX site?” Where else is it supposed to post its literature?
Once again, for clarity, the SSPX is not “defending it’s points” here. It has simply quoted parts of an article by a non-SSPX theologian who raises these questions.
??? do you deny that the quoted article was posted on the SSPX site today? and do you really not see the idea of discussing this right now may not be the best idea for them. I am an SSPX sympathizer. I dont want anything to disturb the process of them being reunited with the Church.
When everything came out, I was actually relieved that their website did
Oh my gosh…did I miss Vatican III?The real issue for Catholics is not what the SSPX or any other writer says about Vatican I, II or III. The real issue for us is what does the Church want us to do?
Once we know what the Holy See wants us to do, we must go with it.
If it wants us to throw a welcome home party for the SSPX, we do that.
If it wants more from the SSPX and sends the document back, we wait.
If it decides that this is over and there is no more to say, we accept that.
Unless the Vatican asks us to commit a crime, which I doubt, there is not much to be said at this point, but wait and pray.
We will not get to heaven on our opinions, but only on our obedience.
Why do people need to keep discussing this position and that position at this point? I’m truly confused on why such discussion is so important this week, even to the original writers cited.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
The article calls the sources from which it quotes, “Excellent commentary”, a clear expression of the SSPX’s doctrinal position, “Logical” and says that they are a pleasure to read.
Hey, here’s my logic. If instead of enjoying this quiet time while we wait, we’re going to argue, let’s get a head start on the next council.
Hey, here’s my logic. If instead of enjoying this quiet time while we wait, we’re going to argue, let’s get a head start on the next council.
Humility and humor go together. It’s very hard for the humorless man to be humble. We have to learn to laugh at ourselves.
Right now we have to learn to laugh at the fact that we’re out here thinking more about this than are Pope Benedict and Bishop Fellay. They’re probably going about their daily business. I can’t see the Holy Father not playing his music between 7:00 and 7:30 PM., not working three hours on his next book, not taking time for his afternoon walk, not receiving visitors and not watching TV in the evening, just because there is a Preamble that he needs to look at. This is a very disciplined man. He probably has that Preamble written into his agenda for a certain day and time and he’s not going to think about it until then. In the meantime, everyone else is thinking for him.
When we look at ourselves form this perspective, we’re pretty silly.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
LOL!
I don’t know what else he plays, besides the piano.
But, you said we would know within a few hours when everything came out, remember?
So, I have not slept since…waiting & waiting…
By the way, the Pope plays the piano, right? Does he play the violin as well?
Today is his anniversary, right? Seven years!
Thanks!
Pax,
Megan
And go through the inevitable post-council turmoil for yet another 50 years? Arrrrrgggghhhhh. [and it’s not talk-like-a-pirate day!]Hey, here’s my logic. If instead of enjoying this quiet time while we wait, we’re going to argue, let’s get a head start on the next council.
I agree. They’ve probably talked all this out and thought about it for years. It’s all paperwork at this point probably, no matter which way it has gone.Humility and humor go together. It’s very hard for the humorless man to be humble. We have to learn to laugh at ourselves.
Right now we have to learn to laugh at the fact that we’re out here thinking more about this than are Pope Benedict and Bishop Fellay. They’re probably going about their daily business. I can’t see the Holy Father not playing his music between 7:00 and 7:30 PM., not working three hours on his next book, not taking time for his afternoon walk, not receiving visitors and not watching TV in the evening, just because there is a Preamble that he needs to look at. This is a very disciplined man. He probably has that Preamble written into his agenda for a certain day and time and he’s not going to think about it until then. In the meantime, everyone else is thinking for him.
When we look at ourselves form this perspective, we’re pretty silly.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
Don’t eat your cowl, Br JR. You’ll have to go to the dentist.I don’t know what else he plays, besides the piano.
If you go back, I said that we would hear something between Wed and Wed.
Well, the Preamble was delivered on Wed of this week. Wed of next week is not here yet. I have no special insight. But I was sitting there and Wed just popped into my head. Don’t ask me why. If we do hear between now and next Wed., I’ll eat my cowl. LOL
On another note, you’re right. Today is His Holiness anniversary and this was also his birthday. He’ll probably have a few guests and dinner parties this week. Another reason to ask Msgr. Giorg to put the Preamble on the schedule.
Hey, if the Church can wait 25 years for this, it can wait a few days until I celebrate my birthday and anniversary.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
No. Opus Dei must have permission to come into a Diocese from the local Bishop. Consecrated religious operate the same way. For example, if the Dominicans wish to come into a diocese somewhere they are not already present, they must request permission from the Bishop. Once they are in, my understanding is that he cannot suppress them, but to get started, they need his approval.
Dear Brother JR,
That is why I just heard “a few hours” LOL!
VIVA IL PAPA!!!
, I need to get some sleep.Get a Franciscan, Dominican, Opus Dei priest, Jesuit and Benedictine into one room and lock the door. Give them a lot of paper and access to a good library. Those guys love nothing more than solving puzzles. They do this for recreation.
Get a Franciscan, Dominican, Opus Dei priest, Jesuit and Benedictine into one room and lock the door. Give them a lot of paper and access to a good library. Those guys love nothing more than solving puzzles. They do this for recreation.
They wouldn’t charge much either. Religious prefer food to money. Lots and lots of pasta.
Contrary to appearances, the Catholic Church is one of the most scholarly societies in the world. If I had money to bet, I would bet that there have been canon lawyers, theologians and other experts coming up with different scenarios and that there are already bound manuals for each possible outcome. I don’t know why I feel that way. Maybe because it’s my style of leadership. Whenever I’ve been in charge, I want answers to every conceivable question, before they’re asked. Then we only have to worry about the inconceivable questions. It reduces the amount of work.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, FFV
Agreed.