Sspx

[Claudius]

From what you’ve said here on this forum (several times telling me to learn Latin) I’d tend to believe that you think your “knowledge” of Latin is like “oooh” magic.

It isn’t a knowledge of Latin that has the effect. It is having the ability to read the documents of the Church in the original language. English is not a good language for translating Latin.

I suggest to you to learn Latin, understand Latin and read what the Church has to say in Latin. It is a language, a tool for communication. English is deficient when compared.

I also suggest reading the Bible in Latin. You can’t go wrong with the Vulgate.

Oh and the Catholic Church did invent Halloween, just so we all are on the same page. It is ALL SAINTS DAY. The night before is All Saints Eve, but of course English speakers couldn’t get it right and called it All Hallows Eve and then currupted it to a psudo-pagan thing. The origin of the holiday is celebrating all the Saints, the Church triumphant.

 

[Claudius]

Why don’t you tell us what you are talking about…are parts of your post in languages other than English?

SFD

You speak English right. I wrote to you in English right. So why can’t you understand it? I will right to you in Latin if you want.

The only part that could maybe in another language is LaFebvre’s name which I was making fun of. Instead of Mr. February, I was calling him Mr. Flower. Of course since February means “winter” I actually might have been giving him a complement.

 

[SFD]

Claudius:

You still have not shown that LaFluer used the correct form.

You need to show that he (Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre) didn’t use the correct form. Your doubt is negative…there is no evidence for it.

SFD

 

[SFD]

Claudius:

Oh and the Catholic Church did invent Halloween

No, not what is “celebrated” today. There is nothing Catholic about Halloween.

SFD

 

[SFD]

You speak English right. I wrote to you in English right. So why can’t you understand it? I will right to you in Latin if you want.

The only part that could maybe in another language is LaFebvre’s name which I was making fun of. Instead of Mr. February, I was calling him Mr. Flower. Of course since February means “winter” I actually might have been giving him a complement.

Why would you make fun of any man’s name?

He was a sucessor to the Apostles…who are you?

SFD

 

[SanJudas]

Why would you make fun of any man’s name?

Why would anyone post on an English-speaking forum, and then insult people who speak English?

He was a sucessor to the Apostles…who are you?

Who cares? Let’s just pray for the poor people of Japan, who are cursed with his obnoxious presence.

 

[nbjayme]

I personally have seen your Famous Editor in Missouri and heard him bragg about having the Vatican on the run!!!
They fight against something they claim to want to be with?

Famous? Never heard of him. Report it to the SSPX priests and bishop so they will take proper action.

How can someone who fights against the Roman
Catholic Church call himself a ROMAN Catholic…This is bull

We’re not fighting against the Roman Catholic Church – we’re fighting against heresies spreading from the authorities of rome itself.

We’re fighting for the Roman Catholic Church.

(Read St. Athanasius).

If anyone wants to side with someone FIGHTING against the Vatican, then they are the ones OUTSIDE the church.

Prove me wrong, please…in actual Vatican terms not SSPX terms.

St. Athanasius was fighting against those in Vatican…

Just WHAT IS THE PRESENT STATUS OF THE SSPX

They have not agreed to the Pope’s terms. They are dragging their feet in doing so, so where does that leave all you SSPX believers?

The Pope terms is for SSPX to keep their mouth shut as part of the deal. We cannot keep our mouth shut knowing that a perilous time is ahead for souls.

Read Post #276

Lord, forgive them, they know not what they do…

May the Lord forgive those who spread heresy and convert them.

 

[Fran65]

I have nothing to do with SSPX. I know a little about them from this forum and bits and bobs on the internet.

But, I do know, as all Catholics do, that perilous times are here right now, for all of us.

“Your adversary, the devil, is prowling the world like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour” (1 Pet. 5:8).

I don’t need to be an SSPX supporter to know that, just a good Catholic.

God Bless
Karen

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I don’t need to be an SSPX supporter to know that, just a good Catholic.

God Bless
Karen

Well said Karen
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[nbjayme]

I don’t need to be an SSPX supporter to know that, just a good Catholic.

A Good Catholic fights for the Faith.

St. Athanasius was a Good Catholic.

But in today’s standard … it means those who mix and tolerate heresy. tsk-tsk-tsk.

The Church Fathers (learned Catholics …) loved to picture the Church as Noah’s Ark where all human beings could find a place. Humanity as a whole pertains or is related to this “Ark,” which is the only way for salvation from “the greate flood.” The body of Christ which is the Church includes all of humanity and in this sense, nobody is really outside of her.
p20-21
ISBN 978-971-004-006-3
KNOW YOUR FAITH
In Defense of the Catholic Truth
an Apostolic Endeavor of the priests & brothers of the SOCIETY OF ST. PAUL in response to the societal need for a deeper understanding of our Catholic Faith.

Heresy, heresy, heresy… one after another.

I remember a Saint once said that heretics cannot attain Salvation even if they are to die in the name of Christ.

just for laughs:

Who is then outside the Body of Christ in this heretical teaching of the SOCIETY OF ST. PAUL?

Ans: the martians and other planetary beings not of earth. Oh wait… in Year 2080 the teaching with change… hmmm… therefore, SOCIETY OF ST. PAUL’s teaching will need some updating.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

A Good Catholic fights for the Faith.

St. Athanasius was a Good Catholic.

But in today’s standard … it means those who mix and tolerate heresy. tsk-tsk-tsk.

The Church Fathers (learned Catholics …) loved to picture the Church as Noah’s Ark where all human beings could find a place. Humanity as a whole pertains or is related to this “Ark,” which is the only way for salvation from “the greate flood.” The body of Christ which is the Church includes all of humanity and in this sense, nobody is really outside of her.
p20-21
ISBN 978-971-004-006-3
KNOW YOUR FAITH
In Defense of the Catholic Truth
an Apostolic Endeavor of the priests & brothers of the SOCIETY OF ST. PAUL in response to the societal need for a deeper understanding of our Catholic Faith.

Heresy, heresy, heresy… one after another.

I remember a Saint once said that heretics cannot attain Salvation even if they are to die in the name of Christ.

I see the word heresy thrown about quite a bit. Please share with us what these heresies are. And if possible for you please show if they are of a individual/group or coming from the Church.

 

[nbjayme]

Is Joining the Iglesia ni Cristo a Sin of Apostasy?

The Catholic Church places much importance on the education of conscience because conscience is the primary basis of moral life. She respect then the decision of anybody who decides to become a member of the Iglesia ni Cristo if this is a product of his conscience’s dictate. We don’t believe that any Catholic who joins the Iglesia ni Cristo becomes a servant of the devil. When such person does this decision on dictates of his conscience (believing truly in the teaching of the Iglesia as the “truth”), then he made a decision pleasing to God and good for his soul.
p12-13
ISBN 978-971-004-006-3
KNOW YOUR FAITH
In Defense of the Catholic Truth
an Apostolic Endeavor of the priests & brothers of the SOCIETY OF ST. PAUL in response to the societal need for a deeper understanding of our Catholic Faith.

Truly in todays catholic standard, it’s more acceptable to view heretics/protestant as belonging to the Church. But those who fight for the Faith are considered either schismatic or defiant.

I really don’t know about this Catholic Church V2 have now. This is not the Catholic Church of St. Paul.

Galatians 5:9 A little leaven corrupteth the whole lump.

So in this fight … it is not the SSPX that went outside the Church for we simply continued in Her Teaching …

I John:2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us. 20 But you have the unction from the Holy One, and know all things.

Moreover, if the current church really places much importance in the education of conscience then no V2 supporters can and should judge any SSPX — for in the best of our conscience what we do is for the best interest of the Church — the Holy Roman Catholic Church.

 

[nbjayme]

I see the word heresy thrown about quite a bit. Please share with us what these heresies are. And if possible for you please show if they are of a individual/group or coming from the Church.

You don’t even know heresy even if it’s right in front of your face…?..

read…

 

[SFD]

I see the word heresy thrown about quite a bit. Please share with us what these heresies are. And if possible for you please show if they are of a individual/group or coming from the Church.

Modernism is a heresy. It was defined as the synthesis of all heresies.

The stance taken by St. Pius X, who defined Modernism as “heresy” and held the “Modernists” to be heretics. Here are some extracts from Pascendi. The saint describes that Modernists as:

“animated by a false zeal for the Church, lacking the solid safeguards of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, put themselves forward as reformers of the Church…”

So, he sees that their philosophical foundation is defective. Does he suggest or conclude that they are therefore not responsible for their errors? No, he concludes as follows:

“Although they express their astonishment that We should number them amongst the enemies of the Church, no one will be reasonably surprised that We should do so, if, leaving out of account the internal disposition of the soul, of which God alone is the Judge, he considers their tenets, their manner of speech, and their action.”

And, further, he strips them of any defense along the lines of not knowing what they do, by pointing out:

“Finally, there is the fact which is all but fatal to the hope of cure that their very doctrines have given such a bent to their minds, that they disdain all authority and brook no restraint; and relying upon a false conscience, they attempt to ascribe to a love of truth that which is in reality the result of pride and obstinacy.”

I am not here arguing here that everybody infected in any way with Modernism is in fact a heretic in the full canonical sense. I am only pointing out that the falsity of a Modernist’s philosophical foundations is an argument against his possession of divine-Catholic Faith, rather than an exculpatory argument tending to confirm his possession and profession of Faith.

A modernist is a heretic as defined by St. Pius X. Those merely infected with some modernist ideas are not necessarily heretics…they may ignorant of the gravity of their errors.

SFD.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

You don’t even know heresy even if it’s right in front of your face…?..

read…

Nice, I ask a question and for you to support you comments and you insult me. that’s nice .

Thank you so very much.

 

[nbjayme]

Nice, I ask a question and for you to support you comments and you insult me. that’s nice .

Thank you so very much.

If one cannot recognize the heresy in the post I made. No amount of niceness can help you.

You are more concerned of yourself why?

You should be more concerned of those heresy insulting the Teaching of the Church.

Stop looking for yourself a while and see the many souls that are losing their Catholic sense.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

Modernism is a heresy. It was defined as the synthesis of all heresies.

The stance taken by St. Pius X, who defined Modernism as “heresy” and held the “Modernists” to be heretics. Here are some extracts from Pascendi. The saint describes that Modernists as:

So, he sees that their philosophical foundation is defective. Does he suggest or conclude that they are therefore not responsible for their errors? No, he concludes as follows:

And, further, he strips them of any defense along the lines of not knowing what they do, by pointing out:

I am not here arguing here that everybody infected in any way with Modernism is in fact a heretic in the full canonical sense. I am only pointing out that the falsity of a Modernist’s philosophical foundations is an argument against his possession of divine-Catholic Faith, rather than an exculpatory argument tending to confirm his possession and profession of Faith.

A modernist is a heretic as defined by St. Pius X. Those merely infected with some modernist ideas are not necessarily heretics…they may ignorant of the gravity of their errors.

SFD.

Thank you SFD. Here I am not entirely sure what is meant by Modernism. but at least I have An idea now of what is being refered to as heresy.

I have always thought that for something to be a heresy is had to be in direct conflict with core dogmatic teaching of the Church.

such and denial for the Trinity, as an example. I would nerve have considered the change of language or the way in which the Mass is done EF vs NO as a heresy nor the changing of the liturgical calender. since neither are dogmatic but disciplines.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

If one cannot recognize the heresy in the post I made. No amount of niceness can help you.

You are more concerned of yourself why?

You should be more concerned of those heresy insulting the Teaching of the Church.

Stop looking for yourself a while and see the many souls that are losing their Catholic sense.

Well as I don’t recognize anything in your post as a heresy It would be hard for me to speck out against it.

My comments had noting to do with self interest but was directed at your rudeness.

As to the Quotes from this book by the society of St Paul i have never read it nor have I been able to find anything that supports what it says. nor can I find it on line may you could provide a link instead of just cut and past or typing it in yourself. that would be helpful.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Heresy can also be not following the pope, the magisterium and the teaching of the Church and thinking you know better than the pope or magisterium. And then to make it worse, to accuse those who do so of heresy because they do not follow you.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[nbjayme]

Heresy can also be not following the pope, the magisterium and the teaching of the Church and thinking you know better than the pope or magisterium. And then to make it worse, to accuse those who do so of heresy because they do not follow you.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

Does St. Athanasius knows what was best for the Church during his fight?

Does St. Paul know better than St. Peter that he needs to rebuke St. Peter?

It’s not about following — it’s the Teaching in light of the Dogma of the Church.

Would you please answer this then:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4161680&postcount=287