St. Mary's reverses policy on gay employment after backlash over rescinded hire

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Richca said:
Well, christians do not have to obey any human law that is against the divine law, the divine law takes precedence over human laws. Human laws that are against the divine law are no laws at all.
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It sickens me. How are Christians expected to stand up for their faith when they see their own Church backing down at the first sign of trouble…? :mad:

DO. NOT. COMPLY.
 
ServusHumilis said:
This can no longer be considered a Catholic school. I hope they drop St. Mary’s from the name; she deserves better than the Sodom and Gomorrah the city, state, and country are turning into. We’re just asking to be destroyed and it will probably be ISIS that does it. All we can do is remain in a state of grace, something active homosexuals have no chance at.
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The same can be said of Notre Dame College.They are so far off the rails in terms of being a Catholic College.It truly is an insult to our Blessed Mother!
 
zz912 said:
What is the proper term for those who are, promoting evil, fighting against the Church and against Church teaching?
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Your neighbors, your family, your brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Your neighbors, your family, your brothers and sisters in Christ.
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You do understand that it is incumbent for employees of a Catholic institution to reflect the teachings of the Catholic Faith?To do otherwise is to create scandal. How can a teacher,in direct conflict with Church teachings through lifestyle choices,impart said teachings to students under their tutelage,if they themselves don’t practice them?The old do as I say,not as I do adage?
 
Jeanne_S said:
You do understand that it is incumbent for employees of a Catholic institution to reflect the teachings of the Catholic Faith?To do otherwise is to create scandal. How can a teacher,in direct conflict with Church teachings through lifestyle choices,impart said teachings to students under their tutelage,if they themselves don’t practice them?The old do as I say,not as I do adage?
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No, it’s not do as I say, not as I do. Every single Catholic institution I have known, worked in, or have friends/colleagues who are associated with, offer welcoming inclusive atmospheres. That means gay and lesbian staff who teach with integrity. No one makes a point of it unless pushed out. The parishes, schools, universities, centers are focused on their students, mission, life together and not so much what goes on in people’s bedrooms.

I know it seems inconsistent, and perhaps it’s just San Francisco, where this is normal, but from what I see, everyone is just fine. Christ is present and all are cared for.
 
My whole thought on this subject can be summed up by St. James:
Wantons, have you never been told that the world’s friendship means enmity with God, and the man who would have the world for his friend makes himself God’s enemy? Do you think scripture means nothing when it tells you that the Spirit which dwells in you loves with a jealous love? (James 4:4-5).
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We must remember that we hate homosexuality because we love homosexuals: we know that such a lifestyle is not good for them 😦 By allowing a person to sin, we are not “loving” them, but allowing them to die spiritually, and become enslaved to their lust, as the lust rots their minds and hearts :crying::crying:

Jesus spoke of those Christians who teach against Christ and encourage others to do so:
Woe upon you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites that shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces; you will neither enter yourselves, nor let others enter when they would. Woe upon you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites that encompass sea and land to gain a single proselyte, and then make the proselyte twice as worthy of damnation as yourselves. (Matthew 23:13-14).
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😦

Christi pax,

Lucretius

St. Monica, pray for us!
 
ComplineSanFran said:
… Every single Catholic institution I have known, worked in, or have friends/colleagues who are associated with, offer welcoming inclusive atmospheres. That means gay and lesbian staff who teach with integrity. No one makes a point of it unless pushed out. The parishes, schools, universities, centers are focused on their students, mission, life together and not so much what goes on in people’s bedrooms.

I know it seems inconsistent, and perhaps it’s just San Francisco, where this is normal, but from what I see, everyone is just fine. Christ is present and all are cared for.
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The Church does care what goes on in people’s bedrooms. Did you every read “Humanae Vitae”? It does not condone people of the same sex engaging in sexual behavior together. I would venture to say most gay and lesbian people do condone it.

San Francisco has had its own dust-up in the recent past with morality clauses for school teachers… that showed a nasty anti-bishop / anti-authority antagonism and smug disregard for Church teaching on the part of some so-called Catholics in the Bay area. Just because everybody “seems fine” with inconsistency down there doesn’t make it follow that it is good.

God bless Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone!
 
I not in hiring circles, but it seems like a Catholic school should be able to screen job applicants more simply. Just don’t hire personnel who cannot honestly promote Catholic teaching and identity.
 
Jeanne_S said:
The same can be said of Notre Dame College.They are so far off the rails in terms of being a Catholic College.It truly is an insult to our Blessed Mother!
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That’s been the case now for at least 30 years in regards to Notre Dame. I’m actually wearing a Fighting Irish t-shirt right now and second guessing myself.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
No, it’s not do as I say, not as I do. Every single Catholic institution I have known, worked in, or have friends/colleagues who are associated with, offer welcoming inclusive atmospheres. That means gay and lesbian staff who teach with integrity. No one makes a point of it unless pushed out. The parishes, schools, universities, centers are focused on their students, mission, life together and not so much what goes on in people’s bedrooms.

I know it seems inconsistent, and perhaps it’s just San Francisco, where this is normal, but from what I see, everyone is just fine. Christ is present and all are cared for.
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Hopefully these people are not **promoting **that lifestyle. Because the woman in question was a big promoter of the gay lifestyle. Why do you think she sought out media attention?
 
808Catholic said:
This is the challenge caused by the SCOTUS when they decided one civil right can override another civil right.
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Hardly. That has always been the case. “My right to swing my fists stops at the end of your nose.” Rights do sometimes conflict, which is why the courts are there to resolve the conflicts.

rossum
 
rossum said:
Hardly. That has always been the case. “My right to swing my fists stops at the end of your nose.” Rights do sometimes conflict, which is why the courts are there to resolve the conflicts.

rossum
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Wrong!
 
ComplineSanFran said:
No, it’s not do as I say, not as I do. Every single Catholic institution I have known, worked in, or have friends/colleagues who are associated with, offer welcoming inclusive atmospheres. That means gay and lesbian staff who teach with integrity. No one makes a point of it unless pushed out. The parishes, schools, universities, centers are focused on their students, mission, life together and not so much what goes on in people’s bedrooms.

I know it seems inconsistent, and perhaps it’s just San Francisco, where this is normal, but from what I see, everyone is just fine. Christ is present and all are cared for.
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No offense to you personally, but San Francisco is a cesspool and dump. Any bastion of immorailty, vagrancy, filth, and illegality is not something anyone should want to emulate, Catholic or otherwise.

It used to be a great city, before the progressives ruined it. You can have it.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
‘Them?’ The ‘them’ you speak of are your neighbors, your family, and your brothers and sisters in Christ.
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rossum said:
Hardly. That has always been the case. “My right to swing my fists stops at the end of your nose.” Rights do sometimes conflict, which is why the courts are there to resolve the conflicts.

rossum
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So refusing to recognize a sham marriage and holding teachers to a morality clause is equivalent to an act of violence?

Many, many businesses, even secular ones, have morality clauses.
 
Maximilan_Kolbe said:
No offense to you personally, but San Francisco is a cesspool and dump. Any bastion of immorailty, vagrancy, filth, and illegality is not something anyone should want to emulate, Catholic or otherwise.

It used to be a great city, before the progressives ruined it. You can have it.
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Sad to say, but Portland is right up there with it. Not that I am a big Glenn Beck fan, but he is right to say it is the most godless city in America. I am not surprised that this happened in Portland, rather I am surprised that the initial decision to not hire her was even considered.
 
meltzerboy said:
What exactly is wrong with this statement? Don’t the rights of individuals sometimes conflict, as do the rights of the individual and the rights of society? And aren’t the courts designed to resolve those conflicts?
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Sure,however,when the courts legislate from the bench,manipulating and splitting hairs to get the result they want to achieve,then one has to wonder really just how objective they are.As a previous poster stated,the SCOTUS got the ball rolling with their interpretation of ACA being a tax,in order to impose this legislation on the citizenry.
 
Bob Voboril, superintendent of schools for the diocese of Wichita, has said this:

“What distinguishes Catholic schools, though, is our mission. Catholic schools seek to form disciples of Jesus Christ. This formation is fostered daily by teachers, prayer, worship, infusion of religious values into curriculum and activities, and apostolic service.”

Source: kansas.com/news/special-reports/article1109800.html#storylink=cpy

If a school cannot support such a mission, perhaps it should not call itself Catholic.
 
SWolf said:
So refusing to recognize a sham marriage and holding teachers to a morality clause is equivalent to an act of violence?
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You have unfortunately misunderstood my post, perhaps I should have explained myself more clearly.

I was responding to 808Catholic’s specific point:
808Catholic said:
This is the challenge caused by the SCOTUS when they decided one civil right can override another civil right.
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Which is why I quoted that sentence. Clashes between different civil rights have been happening since long before the recent SCOTUS decision.

rossum
 
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