Star Trek Beyond - Farewell to a Franchise

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John_Lazarus said:
I also forgot about Geordi La Forge; seems to me he was always after the digital damsels.

In the episode “The Naked Now” Data became basically a sex toy for Yar.
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I remember that cringe-worthy episode; from the first season I think, when the show’s producers and writers seemed at pains to show that even the crew of the Enterprise were capable of getting their ‘freak’ on. A bid for ratings, I suppose.
 
tomarin said:
I remember that cringe-worthy episode; from the first season I think, when the show’s producers and writers seemed at pains to show that even the crew of the Enterprise were capable of getting their ‘freak’ on. A bid for ratings, I suppose.
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To be fair Naked Now was a homage episode to the TOS episode Naked Time.
 
tomarin said:
I remember that cringe-worthy episode; from the first season I think, when the show’s producers and writers seemed at pains to show that even the crew of the Enterprise were capable of getting their ‘freak’ on. A bid for ratings, I suppose.
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It was the second episode ever broadcast of TNG. And yes, it is cringe-worthy. Besides the ‘prurient interest’ of the Data/Yar thing, it was trying too hard to tie into nostalgia for the Original Series, being basically a remake of “The Naked Time” (which was far superior).
 
Padres1969 said:
To be fair Naked Now was a homage episode to the TOS episode Naked Time.
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I remember that episode of TOS but not anything about the Next Gen episode except the allusion to Data’s, uh, non-standard options.
 
MrZoom said:
It was the second episode ever broadcast of TNG. And yes, it is cringe-worthy. Besides the ‘prurient interest’ of the Data/Yar thing, it was trying too hard to tie into nostalgia for the Original Series, being basically a remake of “The Naked Time” (which was far superior).
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No doubt.
 
MrZoom said:
It was the second episode ever broadcast of TNG. And yes, it is cringe-worthy.
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What I remember of the start of Next Generation was that in the first five episodes they ran into 4 pan-dimensional hyper-intelligent beings. I probably would drop the show if it came on now, but at the time I don’t think it had much competition from other scifi shows.

I still have a printed copy of a fan script posted to the usenet startrek group (there was only one at the time) that put Maxwell Smart on the new Enterprise as head of security. Written between the first and second seasons, it put the doctor from the Love Boat as well as “a woopie named Issac” as the Federated mandated bartender.

And everyone who can google knows who who the doctor from Love Boat is…

Tom A.
 
meteoric said:
I still have a printed copy of a fan script posted to the usenet startrek group (there was only one at the time) that put Maxwell Smart on the new Enterprise as head of security. Written between the first and second seasons, it put the doctor from the Love Boat as well as “a woopie named Issac” as the Federated mandated bartender.
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Funny. 😃

BTW, I’ve always called TNG “The Love Boat in space.”
 
John_Lazarus said:
Funny. 😃

BTW, I’ve always called TNG “The Love Boat in space.”
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It’s hard to keep romance out of any series altogether, although the original Star Trek did a pretty good job (that is, most of the romantic interests were either rotating guest stars or ‘crewman of the week’ types who conveniently would never be seen or mentioned again after the episode).
 
MrZoom said:
It was the second episode ever broadcast of TNG. And yes, it is cringe-worthy. Besides the ‘prurient interest’ of the Data/Yar thing, it was trying too hard to tie into nostalgia for the Original Series, being basically a remake of “The Naked Time” (which was far superior).
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A lot of the things they tried in the first season seemed like the wild gestures of a show trying to find its own identity and voice, which I think it did eventually.
 
tomarin said:
It’s hard to keep romance out of any series altogether, although the original Star Trek did a pretty good job (that is, most of the romantic interests were either rotating guest stars or ‘crewman of the week’ types who conveniently would never be seen or mentioned again after the episode).
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Not just because of the romance, but because the 1701-D was like a giant luxury liner. The doctor put off plays, there was a painting class, they had wall-to-wall carpeting, nice lounge at 10-Forward, families on voard…and the 1701-E had the captain’s yacht even.

Big difference between that and the more utilitarian 1701, and the Spam-tin-in-space NX-01.
 
John_Lazarus said:
Not just because of the romance, but because the 1701-D was like a giant luxury liner. The doctor put off plays, there was a painting class, they had wall-to-wall carpeting, nice lounge at 10-Forward, families on voard…and the 1701-E had the captain’s yacht even.

Big difference between that and the more utilitarian 1701, and the Spam-tin-in-space NX-01.
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The issues you mention with the 1701-D and E (the D also had a Captain’s Yacht that we just never saw detach from the ship) are several of the reasons I liked Voyager in the end better than TNG (and why I think it’s aging better). They went back to a more utilitarian ship. It still had 24th century creature comforts, without being over the top like the Enterprise-D.
 
The others can have their own anniversaries; for me this year specifically means –

50 years of Star Trek: The Original Series!!!

Happy birthday, TOS!!! 🙂
 
amsjj said:
The others can have their own anniversaries; for me this year specifically means –

50 years of Star Trek: The Original Series!!!

Happy birthday, TOS!!! 🙂
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Of course, TOS begins the entire franchise, also called Star Trek. This therefore also makes it the anniversary of the entire phenomenon.
 
porthos11 said:
Of course, TOS begins the entire franchise, also called Star Trek. This therefore also makes it the anniversary of the entire phenomenon.
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True. And it’s a miracle of our time that it survived considering it was “The Man Trap” which aired 50 years ago today and somehow didn’t get the show cancelled right then and there :D. I suspect had Star Trek first aired today it wouldn’t have survived that first week. Such a terrible episode.
 
Padres1969 said:
True. And it’s a miracle of our time that it survived considering it was “The Man Trap” which aired 50 years ago today and somehow didn’t get the show cancelled right then and there :D. I suspect had Star Trek first aired today it wouldn’t have survived that first week. Such a terrible episode.
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I wasn’t around back then but I doubt the network executives were so quick to cancel shows at that time.

Why is ‘the Man Trap’ so terrible, in your opinion? It’s a McCoy-centered one, so it has that going for it.
 
tomarin said:
I wasn’t around back then but I doubt the network executives were so quick to cancel shows at that time.

Why is ‘the Man Trap’ so terrible, in your opinion? It’s a McCoy-centered one, so it has that going for it.
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Partly, since starting off with the doctor being the center of a show that primarily featured Kirk and Spock was just odd. But mainly because it’s a monster of the week episode featuring one of their less than stellar rubber monsters (w/suction cups!) whose big evil was that it was a junkie for salt. Why it didn’t just go to the mess hall and steal the salt shakers… 🤷

The actual pilot (at least the one featuring Kirk and Spock), ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’, was a much better episode. Essentially Trek got the Firefly treatment (where the early episodes are aired way out of order) 35 years before that show, but since it wasn’t airing on 1990’s or later FOX it lived to tell the tale for a couple of full seasons at least.
 
Padres1969 said:
Partly, since starting off with the doctor being the center of a show that primarily featured Kirk and Spock was just odd. But mainly because it’s a monster of the week episode featuring one of their less than stellar rubber monsters (w/suction cups!) whose big evil was that it was a junkie for salt. Why it didn’t just go to the mess hall and steal the salt shakers… 🤷

The actual pilot (at least the one featuring Kirk and Spock), ‘Where No Man Has Gone Before’, was a much better episode. Essentially Trek got the Firefly treatment (where the early episodes are aired way out of order) 35 years before that show, but since it wasn’t airing on 1990’s or later FOX it lived to tell the tale for a couple of full seasons at least.
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To me a truly bad episode from the first season would be ‘The Alternative Factor’ (and although most people seem to regard ‘The Galileo Seven’ as a solid episode, it’s one of my least favorite of the entire series.) ‘The Man Trap’'s monster when finally revealed creeped me out as a kid, and continues to creep me out as an adult. I thought the idea of encountering a truly alien creature as opposed to the majority of humanoid aliens we encounter in Star Trek was kind of cool and the kind of thing we expect from science fiction, though we rarely get it in the television and movie formats. It is a little odd that they aired that one first, but thank goodness they didn’t air something incoherent like ‘The Alternative Factor.’ You can tell it’s an early episode because not all the crew had been hired: there’s no Scotty, etc. Incidentally I don’t think it was until late in the first season that the show’s writers and producers hit upon the defining feature of classic Star Trek, the friendship between Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
 
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