Star Wars 8 The Last Jedi destroyed the Star Wars saga on purpose

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I don’t mind when people destroy something that takes people away from God and His true religion.
 
I was actually surprised when I saw a preview for Nightcrawler that had nothing to do with X-Men. Given the prevalence of superhero films, I would have thought he’d get a film before some (almost) completely original story did.

I’m not complaining, though. The film was far better than any superhero film I’ve seen in the last five years. I’d say the last ten years, but The Dark Knight just barely makes it into that time frame, and that’s at least as good as Nightcrawler.
 
Both Star Wars and Star Trek have suffered from such radical changes to the essential storylines. In my observation, the common denominator is J.J. Abrams.
 
While I think The Dark Knight gets more praise than it deserves, I still thought it did a fantastic job with one of the best hero/villain combo there is.

For me, most superhero films post-2008 just haven’t grabbed me that much. There’s been occasional ones I really liked such as Big Hero 6, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Doctor Strange, but even at that, the first two are pretty non-typical for the genre.
 
The thing is, why would they do it when Lucas said multiple times he wasn’t going to make a sequel trilogy? He had plans, sure, but before and after the prequels he said that no sequels would happen. Plus, if they truly wanted to destroy it, why not pull the first six from circulation?

Regarding your supernatural good vs. evil point, you can find a ton of movies with supernatural elements that are even more religious. Without a higher deity, sin/virtue, or the afterlife (other than force ghosts admittedly, but most Jedi don’t become them AFAIK), it’s not much of a religion and certainly not Catholic.
 
Hey GloryOfGod, thanks for a reply that is actually to the point. (Others, feel free to keep talking about tons of peripherally related stuff, but most of it just doesn’t really address my hypothesis.)
GloryOfGod17 said:
if they truly wanted to destroy it, why not pull the first six from circulation?
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I think that’s just not doable in this day and age. Apart from the difficulty of explaining to te public why the heck you are trying to remove just these movies (and not the tens of thousands of others) from circulation, it’s just not practically doable. The number of DVD’s in private hands must be enormous, so these movies will remain available for a very, very long time even if they can’t be ordered from Amazaon anymore. Moreover, any visible attempt at wiping the movies from existence would only draw more attention to them, and garner more fan support.
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Regarding your supernatural good vs. evil point, you can find a ton of movies with supernatural elements that are even more religious.
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Absolutely. But, none of those movies are anywhere near as high-profile as Star Wars, nor are they likely to remain popular for as long as Star Wars has.
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Without a higher deity, sin/virtue, or the afterlife (other than force ghosts admittedly, but most Jedi don’t become them AFAIK), it’s not much of a religion and certainly not Catholic.
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I know. That’s why I said it was never quite a religion, but it does appeal to religious sentiment.
 
Following on from this, Disney has actually made Star Wars seem more religious at times. Look at Rogue One; it has an adamant believer in the Force as a religious concept that is portrayed as not only a main character but one of great esteem. Can the same be said for the original trilogy? Not so much.
 
No problem. While I don’t agree with your point it’s still interesting to think about. Your point about the first six movies makes sense, although if they truly wanted to wipe the original out they could re-edit it in some way. I just don’t see why, a decade after the last Star Wars, with little new media coming out, Disney decides to re-launch the entire series with new content in every form of media, thus drawing even more attention to the originals.
 
The primary motivation for Star Wars is toys. This has been true from almost the beginning. It was obvious with Return of the Jedi that making popular toys helped determine the script. The first movie was good. Empire was great. After that they are all OK at best. The stories are essentially all the same, stop the bad guy by blowing up his giant death machine.

I don’t doubt that the people behind Star Wars would like to destroy religion, but they don’t have to. Regardless, they use any story element that makes them money.
 
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The primary motivation for Star Wars is toys. This has been true from almost the beginning.
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For Jedi, that was certainly true.

You know it’s ridiculous when part of the toy line-up is uncle Owen and aunt Beru’s charred skeleton figures. Of the newer toys, those are among the most valuable owing to how absurd they are.
 
After ‘Star Wars’ and before ‘Empire’ you have this toy commercial during the ridiculous ‘Star Wars Holiday Special’ before Christmas.
 
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The primary motivation for Star Wars is toys.
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I remember back when news broke about the upcoming Cars 2 that everyone got confused about why Disney and Pixar were bothering with a sequel to the worst-received Pixar film at that point. The general answer was toys. Cars, as a movie, may not have been much of a success, but it was a huge hit with the kids for merchandise. That also puts into perspective why there was a Cars 3 despite Cars 2 being the first Pixar movie that got critically panned.

Edit: As for how this ties into Disney and Star Wars - Star Wars sells toys. Disney likes movies that sell toys even if they aren’t loved. Star Wars is practically a dream-come-true for Disney.
 
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I think it was destroyed because the director wanted to put more of her own spin on it, rather than honoring the existing stories, characters, and structure. I just chalk it up to bad direction and writing.

Remove everything about Fin and… the girl whose name I cannot remember… Rose…? Just remove their entire part of the movie and I would have enjoyed it a lot more. Everything focusing on Luke and Rey was superb, though they woefully underutilized Luke in the end. I don’t mind the expansion of force powers, and while the way they took care of the big bad ship isn’t in keeping with cannon (and renders all the effort to find the Deathstar plans pretty pointless), it’s certainly far from the worst thing to happen to the series.

Frankly, it was the social commentary that bugged me the most. Look at all the evil rich people… It was so ham-fisted and poorly handled that I almost expected PETA to have a writing credit at the end.

(Seriously though, in the books Luke is absurdly strong. He should have been able to toss those At-AT things aside like they were nothing… That’s my only real complaint about his character. I totally get him becoming jaded after his school was destroyed. He barely kept himself from falling to the dark side in the original trilogy, so its reasonable that he wouldn’t want to risk creating more sith.)
 
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That certainly would explain the utter disregard for anything from the EU books.

I said before “There is no 7”. My middle son (huge SW fanatic, he’s got hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars of Lego sets) said that I had to watch 7 before I could say it was awful. I did (once it was on video), and after I said, “I feel like I saw this movie before in 1977. I think they did a better job back then.” He did see 8, and has admitted it is so awful that he’s not even going to try to inflict it on me.

I enjoyed the original trilogy; the prequels were unnecessary and–to be perfectly frank–bad storytelling. They were pretty and shiny, but the underlying plot made NO sense at all.

I’ve also seen Rogue One, which I think captured the sense of great storytelling. Even though, going in, you know that no one is going to make it out alive (because they aren’t part of the OT canon), you find yourself still caring enough about what happens to watch–because the characters find a cause that is worth sacrificing for, and even in death, they’ve won.
 
Exactly. Disney has theme parks with toy stores at every exit.
 
I liked ‘Rogue 1’ but ‘A Force Awakens’ just seems to repeat much of the storylines in previous movies.

To be truthful I enjoy watching on YouTube some of the Star Wars fans absolutely lose it criticising the Last Jedi. It is probably more entertaining than watching the movie.

Warning, some of these fans are quite upset (read crude and abusive) in their criticism.




 
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