State agency backs bakery that refused to decorate cakes with message critical of homosexuality [CWN]

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Tomyris said:
What if a baker refused to bake a cake for your wedding because you were Catholic?
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If someone prefers not to prepare food for me, that’s valuable information. I’m not in any hurry to ingest anything that the one preparing prefers not to prepare.

Isn’t that just logic?
 
Tomyris said:
.You think they didn’t seek out a certain baker for a reason?
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Exactly. These people are engaging in hate targeting Christian Bakers for no other reason than they are Christian.
 
Suudy said:
From whom? What (orthodox?) Catholic couple would bother to go file a complaint? I imagine they’d rather spend their time finding an alternative than filing a complaint.
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From the same people who scream bloody murder and swear there is a “war on Christmas” because someone said “happy holidays.”
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
You mean a heterosexual right-wing “comedian”? Yeah, nobody cares.
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No, I mean a man asked a muslim bakery to make a gay wedding cake. They refused. No one on the gay/left cares. Reason? Because its not about discrimination, its about harassing Christians trying to practice their faith. Nothing more.

We are seeing our rights threatened more and more by the secular left. That is too be expected from people who believe rights come not from our creator, but are granted by the government (in total opposition to the belief of those who founded our country). The biggest threat to the secular left is religion. You can’t believe in and serve, an all powerful government and believe in an all powerful God at the same time. Therefore the left is basically at war with religion. Not the lefty/liberal wishy washy religion of certain mainstream sects - such as Episcopalian, but orthodox religion (and evangelical). People who cling to their religion will not cling to their government.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
No, I mean a man asked a muslim bakery to make a gay wedding cake. They refused. No one on the gay/left cares. Reason? Because its not about discrimination, its about harassing Christians trying to practice their faith. Nothing more.
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Reason? Because it was a manufactured controversy by a heterosexual right wing “comedian” who went trolling around Michigan, a State where sexual orientation isn’t a protected class under public accommodation law, without any intention of ever actually buying a cake. Nobody cares because it wasn’t even a real scenario. Harassing Christians? Get real.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
We’d never hear the end of it.
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👍 Though I’m also waiting for a cake or pizza to be denied any day now to someone other than a homosexual. For instance maybe bakers of these goods should check registered sex offender lists and request IDs and if there’s a match, not serve pizza or cake to them either. Or not bake for heterosexual couples “living in sin” who are planning an event outside of the CC. And the list of so called sins and objections could go on and on. Then at this rate pretty soon it can get to the point where people will have to go only to like minded bakers if they want cake or pizza.
 
:okpeople: Okay, people.

Enough already.

Just stop having cake (and eating it, too.)

Next item on the agenda:
 
retire_early said:
:okpeople: Okay, people.

Enough already.

Just stop having cake (and eating it, too.)

Next item on the agenda:
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Why stop at cake? I realize there are people here who would do no such thing. But someone is attending a Catholic loved one’s heterosexual civil wedding ceremony outside the CC. They go for a haircut and an outfit beforehand. You’re attending what? Oh no find another hair stylist and clothing store. We can’t be part of such an event. Or they are shopping for a car and plan to drive it to an event not sanctioned by the CC? Go to another dealer. Soon we’ll all be living in cocoons only with those of like minds. What a world that would be in which to live.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
From the same people who scream bloody murder and swear there is a “war on Christmas” because someone said “happy holidays.”
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Do they sue the company where the employees didn’t say Merry Christmas ? Do they bring the full force of the law down up on them to try and force them out of business ?
 
Sy_Noe said:
Why stop at cake? I realize there are people here who would do no such thing. But someone is attending a Catholic loved one’s heterosexual civil wedding ceremony outside the CC. They go for a haircut and an outfit beforehand. You’re attending what? Oh no find another hair stylist and clothing store. We can’t be part of such an event. Or they are shopping for a car and plan to drive it to an event not sanctioned by the CC? Go to another dealer. Soon we’ll all be living in cocoons only with those of like minds. What a world that would be in which to live.
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I would prefer to live in a world where people are not put out of business for declining to participate in an event they object to.
 
estesbob said:
And the derogatory images and language were ?
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It helps to read the article.

In 2014, William Jack asked Azucar Bakery in Denver. for two Bible-shaped cakes with the following messages written on them: “God hates sin. Psalm 45:7,” “Homosexuality is a detestable sin. Leviticus 18:2,” “God loves sinners,” and “While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Romans 5:8.”

According to a local media report, Jack also asked “that one cake have the image of two groomsmen holding hands in front of a cross with a red ‘X’ over them.

If you take the time you can easily find the legal disposition and reasoning behind the decision. Lacking that you can follow the link to the source of the article. Source which contains the following line:
…Silva told 7NEWS in January, "If he wants to hate people, he can hate them not here in my bakery.
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frobert said:
It helps to read the article.
In 2014, William Jack asked Azucar Bakery in Denver. for two Bible-shaped cakes with the following messages written on them: “God hates sin. Psalm 45:7,” “Homosexuality is a detestable sin. Leviticus 18:2,” “God loves sinners,” and “While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Romans 5:8.”

According to a local media report, Jack also asked “that one cake have the image of two groomsmen holding hands in front of a cross with a red ‘X’ over them.
If you take the time you can easily find the legal disposition and reasoning behind the decision. Lacking that you can follow the link to the source of the article. Source which contains the following line:
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So the a State commission gets to decide what speech is protected and what is not?

Bear in mind that a State Commission does not set precedent with their rulings. They are not a court of law and their ;“judges” are not real judges-they are administrative law judges appointed by the commission to hear cases. I have dealt with and testified before Colorado commissions numerous times and can not tell you how biased , unprofessional and vindictive they are. The best bet for anyone falling into their clutches is let them make their ruling and then appeal their ruling to a real court.
 
Sy_Noe said:
👍 Though I’m also waiting for a cake or pizza to be denied any day now to someone other than a homosexual.
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When someone other than a homosexual comes in demanding their sin be celebrated through cake or pizza, I suspect you’ll see the exact same response.
Sy_Noe said:
For instance maybe bakers of these goods should check registered sex offender lists and request IDs and if there’s a match, not serve pizza or cake to them either. Or not bake for heterosexual couples “living in sin” who are planning an event outside of the CC.
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And were a registered sex offender to come in requesting a cake celebrating his/her sexual proclivities or a heterosexual couple wanting a cake decorated for their “shacking up” anniversary, then we’d likely see the same kind of reaction from a baker.

But your post, like many others, conflates the person and the action. The example of the florist in WA state and the baker in CO have a history of serving gay customers. The issue isn’t that the person is homosexual. The issue is the event. So your examples miss the mark because you are presuming that a baker would refuse to serve registered sex offenders or couples “living in sin” because of who they are or their situation. If a couple “living in sin” were planning a birthday party, I seriously doubt their purchase would be denied.
Sy_Noe said:
And the list of so called sins and objections could go on and on. Then at this rate pretty soon it can get to the point where people will have to go only to like minded bakers if they want cake or pizza.
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So what? I don’t doubt there are homosexual bakers and florists. Or pizza houses run by couples “living in sin.” Or, shockingly, average folk who don’t really care who comes in as long as they have money. There isn’t a some severe shortage of bakeries, florists, or pizza houses willing to serve folk of all shapes, sizes, colors, and mindsets.

This isn’t a crisis. And people should quit acting like it is.
 
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