The refusal of the muslim bakers to bake a gay wedding cake was very, very real. It proves my point which is that the gay/left agenda is to harass Christians who want to practice their faith. What makes you think the muslim bakeries in Michigan would be any different than muslim bakeries in states where gays are protected?
Uh huh right. So if I go into a store and say I am looking for a new outfit to wear to my heterosexual Catholic loved one’s civil ceremony event being performed outside the Catholic Church without the Church’s dispensation, then I should expect to be denied attire. The absurdities in which your position could lead to. But I do agree SS civil marriage under civil law is not the crisis that the hungry, the homeless, the sick, and a multitude of other problems are. Peace.
A gay couple (obvious to everyone by the level of affection between them) goes into a bakery and buys some pastry. The proprietor happily sells the them the pastry. The same couple comes in two months later to ask for a cake for their impending same gender “marriage”, and the baker declines the offer, based on his religious beliefs.
So IOW you’re just going to pick and choose among the many beliefs and events and so called wrongs that your conscience is going to object to. A person can buy clothing to an event not in line with the CC but not a cake. I got it.
I don’t know that you should expect it. Indeed, I think it unlikely given the general lack of knowledge on Church canon law. However, if it DID happen, I say shrug and move on.
No more absurd than a homosexual owned bakery denying a Christian customer a cake denouncing homosexuality.
Selling pastries to hungry folk because they like pastries is different than selling cakes to folk to celebrate their wedding. There is a difference. The former is a morally neutral event (enjoying pastries). The latter is an immoral event (a gay “wedding”).
And attire for a heterosexual marriage ceremony event between Catholics performed outside of the Catholic Church is not as objectionable as cake.
Not to derail the thread, but you are right. That’s why I’m happy my Holy Catholic Church does so much to help the poor, giving them dignity, food, and help with housing. It’s why I’m happy so many of my fellow Catholics devote so much of their time, treasure, and talents to helping the poor and marginalized, especially the unborn.
Are the activists asking the sellers of the clothing put their stamp of approval of the event by embroidering “best wishes for a long and happy life together John and Jim?”
Yes the CC does a lot for the poor. So does a small Episcopal congregation near me ( maybe 100 members). Clothing, food, meals.Not to derail the thread, but you are right. That’s why I’m happy my Holy Catholic Church does so much to help the poor, giving them dignity, food, and help with housing. It’s why I’m happy so many of my fellow Catholics devote so much of their time, treasure, and talents to helping the poor and marginalized, especially the unborn.
So its ok to bake, decorate, and sell a cake to a SS couple for their wedding event as long as there is no inscription on the frosting?
Totally depends on the beliefs of the baker.
Yes. Its known as living in a free society. I’m not going to stop that couple from getting “married” (though I’m opposed to the state having anything to do with it, one way or another, on 1st amendment grounds). If John and Jim want to go down to the Universal Unitarian Church and have a ceremony, and call it a marriage, more power to them. That’s part of living in a free society, too, that I have to tolerate their freedom. But I don’t have to approve of it. I don’t have to say its right. I can say it is wrong, and that my faith tradition opposes it on scriptural grounds, and I have a right not to participate in it, if I choose not to, and that includes not providing a cake, if I’m a baker.
Of course a person can buy a cake for an event. Who said they can’t buy a cake?
These would have been my responses as well.
Exactly. The gay lobby just keeps pushing it to the forefront, unfortunately. I suppose Pope Francis gets tired of being asked about it constantly from the secular press as well.
Perhaps not to some. Perhaps to others. But it isn’t for you or Uncle Same to decide. If the tailor doesn’t like your reasons for wearing the attire and doesn’t want to make it for you, shake the dust off your shoes and move on. But don’t ask Uncle Same (or his proxy) to force him to give you the clothes.
I’m not picking anything. Nobody else here is picking anything. The individual baker makes the choice. And the bakers and florists that have been forced by law to provide for these things aren’t even Catholic.
It’s also the single largest topic that asks Christians to participate. And it also the most clearly obvious act of participation. And other events, though objectionable to Christians, are not so obvious. How many people walk into a clothing store and say “I’m a Catholic, but I’m going to have a non-Catholic wedding.” And of those that say that, how many dress makers or tailors are well-versed enough in Church law to know the canonical requirements? It only “seems to be the hotter topic” because it is the most obvious.
Yes, that is the topic being pushed by the gay lobby at this point. Not too far down the road, we are going to be looking at objecting to providing services for pederast events.
