Statement of Santa Cruz-Fr John Corapi

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See, this is what I meant-you’ve already decided that the accuser is a slanderer, and have already taken the allegations made by Santa Cruz Media against her as fact. What SCM said is just as much an allegation as what the accuser has charged against Father Corapi, and she has the same right of presumption of innocence that Father Corapi does.

Presumption of innocence doesn’t mean that we presume the accuser is a scoundrel and a liar, it means we with-hold judgment on all parties, the accuser and the accused alike.
You misunderstand me. It doesn’t matter what I think, who is innocent and who is guilty of slander. That’s not my point. My point is, if I personally was in a situation where I knew and was convinced that my close co-workers are innocent, and someone is slandering my female colleagues, possibly myself included, I would do everything in my power to defend my company, to defend my co-workers, and defend myself.
 
Abba,

First of all, prayers for your father.

Second, no one, no one, including Fr Corapi, should be exhaulted. No one.

Only Our Lord, and His mother. Only. Period. End of discussion.

NO priest should be a rock star. NO PRIEST.

Any credible and humble priest, and my pastor is one of them, knows he is only an instrument. But he is not the music, he is not the conductor, he is not the writer. He is an instrument only. And will never deceive or dupe, or manipulate the followers. Even for money. Our Lord despised that. People who manipulate for $$$$$ are slaves to the evil one. Pure and simple. $$$$$$$$$$ is their god. And they will fight and defend it all to keep the $$$$$$ flowing

Money be damned to hell.

Open the Bible. Our Lord will teach you.

I am beginning to question Fr Corapi. In all human honesty and from someone who has been duped before, I am sincerely and as someone who want to be and follow Our Lord more than anything, I have been given reason to pause, and wonder, just how deep does commitment to OUR LORD, to HIS LAWS, and AUTHENTIC and clear cut CREDIBLE discipleship mean to Fr Corapi.

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God Bless you Fr Corapi. I know you love Our Lord.
Amen, but—money be damned?

Nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that money itself is inherently evil—not even great wealth. And there is a lot of speculation in your post.

Philotheatoo said:

And who are we to pass judgment? Those of us who feel compelled to write something negative here about either Fr. Corapi or the church may just be exhibiting the bitterness in our souls left over from some silly disappointment in our own life. We would be wise to remember we could easily find ourselves in Father Corapi’s shoes someday - if we haven’t already. For Father Corapi and the Roman Catholic Church: Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners; now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
I’ll go with that—except that, when and if this thing sorts itself out, we are free to pass judgment on proven actions. We can and should judge proven actions. What we cannot judge is the state of anyone’s soul: the accuser, Father, the Bishops, the people who make up Santa Cruz Media.
 
I don’t know, there are things wrong with the letter, but maybe it is their knee-jerk reaction to protecting Fr. Corapi. They will surely have read all the speculation on the net and it will probably feel like they are defending a family member that they love dearly. I don’t know that I wouldn’t be able to hold back if I was in their position. We know we should of course respect our Bishops, but we’re not saints yet, and this incident will make emotions run high, especially if what they have said about the former employee is true, God bless her.

Secondly, maybe good will ultimately come out of this. I love Fr. Corapi, and I know when I first came across him, I was blown away by his preaching style and looked disappointingly at my own parish priest, which was wrong on my part. I since understood that for a time I was placing too much focus on the man and not the message, and maybe this whole horrible episode will serve to humble all involved. Now I realise that however dry and monotonous I find the parish priest, he is as another poster said, the instrument, regardless of his own personal traits. And God bless them all but they have a hard job.
 
What complicates and impedes complete objectivity in this stuation is the uncomfortable fact that Fr. Corapi is a man with a past, one which he openly admitted to, and publicly repented of, many times, openly and honestly. Suddenly, a woman accuses him of those very same behaviors. No matter how hard we try, his past accompanies those accusations, and doubt naturally creeps in.

Now, this Santa Cruz statement, replete with sales pitch to fund some “mysterious” legal defense fund, appears, and again Fr. Corapi’s past exploits as a money-driven 'man-of-the-world" lead the mind toward doubt. It is sad, but it is also human nature.

Fr. Corapi is one of the most charismatic and compelling Catholic preachers we have ever heard, and he has inspired, educated and deeply moved many of us over the years. Has he somehow changed in these latter years? Certainly. But my family and I choose to hold onto Fr. Corapi’s public denial, and support him with our prayers. Also, as he asked, we are praying for the accuser, as well. We refuse to yield to cynicism in this matter.
 
Well I think this whole situation just stinks…someone mentioned the fact that Father make the statement on his blog the day before St Joseph’s Day…“The Terror of Demons”. I’m thinking more along the lines about what St Joseph did when he found that Mary was with child and he was troubled…he didn’t judge but prayed. Then yesterday was the feast of the Annunciation…"Let it be done unto me according to Thy word…complete surrender to the Will of God, even though she did not understand. I want to behave like St Joseph & Mary.

I have FC on my fb and I look and it seems to me that lots of folks in there effort to support Fr is condemning this woman which in my mind is just as bad. I seriously considering getting his page off my fb…not because of him but because this woman has been so “demonized” and quite frankly we don’t know anything more than we need to know.

Perhaps we are being “tested” too…
 
You misunderstand me. It doesn’t matter what I think, who is innocent and who is guilty of slander. That’s not my point. My point is, if I personally was in a situation where I knew and was convinced that my close co-workers are innocent, and someone is slandering my female colleagues, possibly myself included, I would do everything in my power to defend my company, to defend my co-workers, and defend myself.
You have a good point. The pull would be all too great to not defend myself and my dearly loved boss. Can anyone say…“HUMAN NATURE?” People are “so disappointed”, hmm.

Also…what Bobbi said in this statement is not really all that clear. How do we know he is not incurring legal costs? If he is seeking legal advice himself, that would be a sensible thing to do as only he knows all the circumstances. Also, I do not see this necessarily as a plug to sell his publications. She might just be clarifying that they are indeed for sale and not under the jurisdiction of anyone. It was actually a question that I had in my mind early on. …“Are people able to still purchase his books, DVDs etc?” People are really jumping to conclusions about this whole thing. I am convinced the truth will come out in the end. We need to pray for TRUTH, and a fast resolution. I just hope they don’t drag their feet with it. The Church does seem to move in slow motion, not only about situations as these, but with everything. Just the way it is, unfortunately.
 
How is it you seem to know all this information?
Google. I also linked to/cited my sources.
As for the small business Payton Place that SCM seems to be,
That’s what bothers me – it wasn’t just the accusation, but the answer that seemed to exacerbate the situation even further. I did a little Google-ing because a lot didn’t quite ring true – to me, there were half-truths in there that needed to be explored.
It’s no wonder the mods shut down the first thread on the subject.:rolleyes:
Wow: I honestly didn’t know that this was such a “hot topic.”
 
Google. I also linked to/cited my sources.

That’s what bothers me – it wasn’t just the accusation, but the answer that seemed to exacerbate the situation even further. I did a little Google-ing because a lot didn’t quite ring true – to me, there were half-truths in there that needed to be explored.

Wow: I honestly didn’t know that this was such a “hot topic.”
This is a very emotionally charged topic. So yes, I would consider it a “hot topic”.
Fr. Corapi has lots of dedicated fans and also lots of enemies. And there has been lots of speculation laced with strong feelings and sometimes insinuations of wrong doing both pro and con. So, yes indeed, I am not surprised in the least that the first thread on the subject was locked.
 
I posted this in the other thread Fr. Corapi thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7675637#post7675637. I’ll post it here as well. I’d use the “quote” feature, but it appears that when a thread is closed, that feature is disabled, so I had to copy and paste.

This blog entry is very, very good and contains sound advice. Pray, pray, pray!

"More Clergy Allegations? Strike the Shepherd - The Sheep Need to Pray

It is written, ‘Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.

Consider the crisis of sin and failure the Church is presently walking through and the reactions often fall into one of two camps. Either there’s a predator in every priest, the Church is an evil villain and celibacy is surely to blame, or there’s nothing to do but weep and wring your hands, and perhaps leave the Church, disgruntled and demoralized, looking for perfection somewhere else.

There is a third response – a much better one – but it requires a lot more trust and courage. It is the response of the faithful who have not lost faith."…

Entire entry: mychocolatehart.blogspot.com/…-shepherd.html
 
O Jesus, I pray for Your faithful and fervent priests;
for Your unfaithful and tepid priests;
for Your priests laboring at home or abroad in distant mission fields;
for Your tempted priests;
for Your lonely and desolate priest;
for Your young priests;
for Your dying priests;
for the souls of Your priests in purgatory.
But above all I recommend to You the priests dearest to me;
the priest who baptized me;
the priests who absolved me from my sins;
the priests at whose Masses I assisted and
who gave me Your Body and Blood in Holy communion;
the priests who taught and instructed me;
all the priests to whom I am indebted in any other way.
O Jesus, keep them all close to Your heart,
and bless them abundantly in time and in eternity.
Amen.
 
A Prayer for Priests

Keep them, I pray Thee, dearest Lord, keep them, for they are Thine - Thy priests whose lives burn out before Thy consecrated shrine.
Keep them, for they are in the world, though from the world apart; when earthly pleasures tempt, allure - shelter them in Thy heart.
Keep them, and comfort them in hours of loneliness and pain, when all their lives of sacrifice for souls seems but in vain.
Keep them, and O remember, Lord, they have no one but Thee, yet they have only human hearts, with human frailty.
Keep them as spotless as the Host, that daily they caress; their every thought and word and deed, Deign, dearest Lord, to bless.

Our Father, Who art in heaven,
Hallowed be Thy Name.
Thy Kingdom come.
Thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.

Hail Mary,
full of Grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary,
mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of death.

Glory be to the Father,
and to the Son,
and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning,
is now,
and ever shall be,
world without end.

Amen.
 
This article is dated 4/3/11, which explains the opening line. Regardless, it contains an accurate portrayal of the intense reactions of Catholics to the situation.

"Openers: Lessons from the allegations against Father John Corapi

You probably heard the news in late March that popular international speaker and Eternal Word Television Network personality Father John Corapi had been placed on “administrative leave” while the religious order to which he belongs, the Texas-based Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity, investigates allegations of impropriety. "…

Entire article: osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/7707/Openers-Lessons-from-the-allegations-against-Fath.aspx
 
What complicates and impedes complete objectivity in this stuation is the uncomfortable fact that Fr. Corapi is a man with a past, one which he openly admitted to, and publicly repented of, many times, openly and honestly. Suddenly, a woman accuses him of those very same behaviors. No matter how hard we try, his past accompanies those accusations, and doubt naturally creeps in.

Now, this Santa Cruz statement, replete with sales pitch to fund some “mysterious” legal defense fund, appears, and again Fr. Corapi’s past exploits as a money-driven 'man-of-the-world" lead the mind toward doubt. It is sad, but it is also human nature.
…Which is why I said previously on the closed thread that it would therefore be highly improbable that he would engage in such repeated patterns of behavior while in the priesthood, since he has given every indication of being committed to this entirely different life as devotion to God represents. People “with a past” have to be especially careful to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, due to the dual dangers of the effect of reputation and the undeniable fact of previous personal weakness, including addiction with all of its lingering perils.

In that respect, I have to wonder how many people responding on this or the previous thread have listened truly carefully to all of his talks. Since they get replayed often on EWTN radio & TV, my own memory is not weak on this: He has specifically addressed his own vigilance, and his continued need for vigilance, precisely because of his past. He has even said that he’s aware of how drug addiction can lure a previous user right back into the habit; how he has met at least one priest – much older than himself – still addicted (at that time) to cocaine. (I believe he met him at one of his conferences.) In the talk in which he recounts this incident, he commented that he does not take his release from his own “chains” for granted. He also is not presumptuous. He is acutely aware of his constant need to “save his own soul.”

Yes, (blah, blah – not to this poster, to others) he “has a past” and some people do slip back into drugs and the attraction of money, yadayadaya. But whatever one’s personal opinion of the man, there are some things about him that are indisputable, both from observation and from the facts of his journey to and in the priesthood:

(1) He’s very smart, particularly in a pragmatic and practical way.

(2) He’s very disciplined.

(3) He is goal-oriented almost to an extreme. Again, unless you have truly listened to his talks, you have not heard, or are not remembering, the examples in his personal life – ***before and after his reversion ***-- which demonstrate such single-minded directedness.

(4) He is acutely aware of the clergy abuse phenonemon and precisely where that puts him, as well, in a categorical group of “suspects” simply by association. He further relates anecdotes, in his talks, of being “accosted” (confronted) in public by random people laying responsibility-trips on him (merely as a member of that category). He expands on that to reveal how disheartening it is to all priests, including himself, to be automatically tarnished by that and therefore to have to be ultra-careful to the point of scrupulosity, about physical contact with laity of any kind.

But here is the one factor that far too many people forget, in general, and now specifically here:

(5) Priesthood is actually a career. :eek: A career, to most men, is linked with their very identity, as well as their manhood. Far too many lay people forget this; they forget how personally invested a priest is in doing a good job according to what the job requires them to do as a continuing condition of membership. Not to do so risks one’s career and thus one’s very sense of self, one’s bearings.

The man is ultra-career-oriented. So put it in “worldly” terms if you want to. Think about how driven he was as a high-flying accountant among the rich and famous, and then wonder how it would be logical that he would imperil his priestly career with some foolish foray into behaviors which already previously showed him were dead-end behaviors, career-wise. (By his addiction to drugs, he ended up imperiling his accounting career and losing everything.)

(6) Now he has not only a personal investment in his identity as a priest. He has a public persona as well. So any fall from grace in this respect would be devastating not only to his private self-esteem (I maintain that for all priests, that is what is more important), but also would be publicly shattering.

Saying all the above is not “casting aspersions” on his accuser. These are statements strictly related to him, and the logical probability or improbability of the truth of the accusations.

FWIW, I see him very much as a human being, a man with weaknesses just like every one of us (and like every priest). But having weaknesses, and having a “past,” does not necessarily equate to a greater propensity to devolve back into that past. Usually, particularly among those who have demonstrated commitment to the new direction, it contra-indicates a relapse.
 
This is a very emotionally charged topic. So yes, I would consider it a “hot topic”.
Fr. Corapi has a lot of dedicated supporters and also lots of enemies. And there has been lots of speculation laced with strong feelings and sometimes insinuations of wrong doing both pro and con. So, yes indeed, I am not surprised in the least that the first thread on the subject was locked.
It is very true that Fr. Corapi has a lot of fans due to being such a dynamic and charismatic Catholic priest and speaker who has lead many to the faith or strengthened the faith for many, and he also has a lot of enemies for that same reason. But, he has enemies in the secular world for other reasons as well. I’ve seen several of these articles since I heard the news of the allegations against Fr. Corapi. It reminded me that Fr. Corapi certainly has enemies.

"Surgery For Profit?
FBI Investigates Doctors Suspected Of Performing Unneeded Surgery

(CBS) Father John Corapi thought his running days were over when a heart doctor gave him bad news.

“Dr. Moon announced to me so solemnly, ‘You need an immediate triple bypass.’ That was a shock to me,” says Corapi. "…

Entire article: cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/21/eveningnews/main530362.shtml
 
This is a very emotionally charged topic. So yes, I would consider it a “hot topic”.
Fr. Corapi has lots of dedicated fans and also lots of enemies. And there has been lots of speculation laced with strong feelings and sometimes insinuations of wrong doing both pro and con. So, yes indeed, I am not surprised in the least that the first thread on the subject was locked.
Yes, this is indeed a very hot topic.

Also, it is very true that Fr. Corapi has a lot of supporters due to being such a dynamic and charismatic Catholic priest and speaker who has lead many to the faith or strengthened the faith for many, and he also has a lot of enemies for that same reason. But, he has enemies in the secular world for other reasons as well. I’ve seen several of these articles regarding his case of medical fraud since I heard the news of the allegations against Fr. Corapi. It reminded me that Fr. Corapi certainly has enemies.

"Surgery For Profit?
FBI Investigates Doctors Suspected Of Performing Unneeded Surgery

(CBS) Father John Corapi thought his running days were over when a heart doctor gave him bad news.

“Dr. Moon announced to me so solemnly, ‘You need an immediate triple bypass.’ That was a shock to me,” says Corapi. "…

Entire article: cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/21/eveningnews/main530362.shtml
 
Here’s is a second, more recent entry regarding Fr. Corapi and whistleblowing regarding heart surgery. The man certainly has enemies.

"Redding heart-surgery whistleblower Corapi accused in Catholic sex scandal

The Catholic priest who was one of the key whistleblowers in the Redding Medical Center heart surgery scandal has been placed on leave by his religious order while his superiors investigate allegations that he had affairs with a number of women and abused drugs."…

Entire entry: redding.com/news/2011/mar/22/redding-heart-surgery-whistleblower-corapi-accused/
 
Here’s an article from LifeSiteNews. Of note, which is not meant to derail the thread here, is a comment following the article: "How is it possible that an accusation gets Fr. Corapi placed on leave while priests who publicly defy the magisterium (Fr. Raymond Gravel, Fr. Michael Pfleger….) continue in their damaging ministries?"

Now, back to this thread.

"Corapi accuser promised to ‘destroy’ priest after being fired: claim

KALISPELL, Montana, March 25, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A leader of the company that manages Rev. John Corapi’s media has claimed that the recent accusations against the popular priest were launched by a “disgruntled” former employee who vowed to “destroy” Corapi’s reputation."…

Entire article: lifesitenews.com/news/corapi-accuser-promised-to-destroy-priest-after-being-fired-claim/
 
I think what is interesting is that most, if not all, of the posters don’t know Father Corapi, the former employee, the SCM manger, or the Bishop of Corpus Cristi personally. So, to defend someone based on their public persona, even if that involves personal revelation, doesn’t make sense. You simply don’t know.

You hope a certain set of facts are the truth, but you don’t know.
 
Yes, this is indeed a very hot topic.

Also, it is very true that Fr. Corapi has a lot of supporters due to being such a dynamic and charismatic Catholic priest and speaker who has lead many to the faith or strengthened the faith for many, and he also has a lot of enemies for that same reason. But, he has enemies in the secular world for other reasons as well. I’ve seen several of these articles regarding his case of medical fraud since I heard the news of the allegations against Fr. Corapi. It reminded me that Fr. Corapi certainly has enemies.
I would go as far as to say he has many enemies even inside the Catholic Church. If he didn’t, I’d be concerned. This whole thing will pass and there will still be two kinds of people; those who care and those who don’t.
 
I think what is interesting is that most, if not all, of the posters don’t know Father Corapi, the former employee, the SCM manger, or the Bishop of Corpus Cristi personally. So, to defend someone based on their public persona, even if that involves personal revelation, doesn’t make sense. You simply don’t know.

You hope a certain set of facts are the truth, but you don’t know.
Perhaps it gives people on the forums a bit of entertainment to gossip and speculate about the issues? Is it right to really do this or could this actually be a sin?:confused:
Is it possible to fall into sin by talking about things on CAF?
 
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