Statements on Cardinal Kasper Interview with ZENIT

[McCall1981]

That’s true; I sort of meant to cover that by mentioning that this was a very informal and quick interview given while the cardinal was leaving the synod hall. I am not really comfortable with what the cardinal said, and if he said it then it’s fair to hold him accountable. But it wouldn’t be very charitable to read too deeply into the offhand comments of a busy 81-year-old cardinal trying to manage 10 things at once.

Right, but that is my point above. When the comments came out he could have said “These things sound bad, but I was busy and misspoke and what I really meant to say was…”

Instead, he denied having said them at all.

 

[LongingSoul]

Right, but that is my point above. When the comments came out he could have said “These things sound bad, but I was busy and misspoke and what I really meant to say was…”

Instead, he denied having said them at all.

You could start one of your threads. “Kasper is a Liar”

Any rational, decent Catholic observer can read the transcript, analyse the context and take note of language deficiencies and resist the temptation to fake scandal. It really isn’t becoming of a Catholic.

 

[McCall1981]

You could start one of your threads. “Kasper is a Liar”

Any rational, decent Catholic observer can read the transcript, analyse the context and take note of language deficiencies and resist the temptation to fake scandal. It really isn’t becoming of a Catholic.

Card Kasper said he is appalled and would never speak that way about Africans.

Why would he say that if the comments themselves are not problematic?

 

[clem456]

Good Lord.
How can anyone here possibly know what he said, how he said it, and what his motivations are? And if you can’t discern those things, who is the unending speculation serving?

 

[pnewton]

You could start one of your threads. “Kasper is a Liar”

Any rational, decent Catholic observer can read the transcript, analyse the context and take note of language deficiencies and resist the temptation to fake scandal. It really isn’t becoming of a Catholic.

Most of us older people have been reading this type of journalism most of our life and have learned to avoid gullibility. Still, the temptation to be willing gullible when a headline spins in the same direction as our own head seems unavoidable. In this, the left, right, middle, up, down, traditional and progressive all succumb.

 

[pepipop]

Card Kasper said he is appalled and would never speak that way about Africans.

Why would he say that if the comments themselves are not problematic?

The comments are not problematic, they’re factual.

He’s German and was speaking in a second language. No doubt, when re-reading the comments they did not correspond to what the was ‘thinking’ in German. The two languages are difficult to translate with verbs in totally different places in sentences, so most probably his remarks in ‘English’ did not properly relay what he was wanting to say in German.

 

[LordHaveMercy]

The comments are not problematic, they’re factual.

He’s German and was speaking in a second language. No doubt, when re-reading the comments they did not correspond to what the was ‘thinking’ in German. The two languages are difficult to translate with verbs in totally different places in sentences, so most probably his remarks in ‘English’ did not properly relay what he was wanting to say in German.

Prejudice is the same in every language. Kasper owes the entire faithful, especially those in Africa and those in other parts of the world who are of African descent a sincere apology.

 

[McCall1981]

The comments are not problematic, they’re factual.

He’s German and was speaking in a second language. No doubt, when re-reading the comments they did not correspond to what the was ‘thinking’ in German. The two languages are difficult to translate with verbs in totally different places in sentences, so most probably his remarks in ‘English’ did not properly relay what he was wanting to say in German.

Then why did he say he is appalled, and that he would never speak that way?

 

[pepipop]

Then why did he say he is appalled, and that he would never speak that way?

I’ve already said why. They were off the cuff remarks in a second language from a tired 81 yr old. On re-reading he thought they sounded dreadful and a misinterpretation of what he meant.

I don’t see anything wrong with them, they’re not well formed, grammatically correct, sentences BUT all it boiled down to is that Africa’s situation for dealing with pastoral care of homosexuals is completely different than that of the West.

His comments were reflecting the respective governments’ treatment of homosexuality. in the West and Africa, and hence different solutions need to be applied.
One coat will not fit all.

 

[PTL]

I think he is politely saying that in the Church in Africa has to deal with the fact that in some countries they imprison and kill homosexuals. They are at a different place than Europe and the West and their (name removed by moderator)ut, while valuable, often doesn’t bare directly on what is happening in developed countries. I don’t think any of us in the West want the Synod to publically advocate imprisoning and killing homosexuals or tolerating such actions.

On the other hand, I wonder if the final Synod document will say anything about polygamy? In Africa there is a problem if a man wants to convert but he has more than one wife. You have to tell him to pick one and dismiss the rest. That breaks up the family unit; and that is a problem. So what do you do? That is a good question, and I don’t know what the answer is.

I am impressed with the tactic of twisting. If it is about killing the people of sodomy, the Cardinal would say so. While his words are straight forward, I am amazed someone could always think of something to twist and defend the original mean statement. And also throw in polygamy that is not in the discussion to divert and dilute people’s attention about sodomy.and Kasper’s controversial statement.
Wow, really brilliant!!!

 

[pepipop]

Prejudice is the same in every language. Kasper owes the entire faithful, especially those in Africa and those in other parts of the world who are of African descent a sincere apology.

What is the ‘prejudice’, it was a statement of fact. The governments of Africa/Muslim counties and the West treat homosexuality completely differently.

Most African countries outlaw homosexuality and the West celebrates it. Hence the pastoral care of homosexuals, being discussed at the Synod, cannot be applied in African or Muslim countries. The pastoral care in these countries, if it arises, will be very covert as the practice is outlawed by their governments.

 

[PTL]

Most African countries outlaw homosexuality and the West celebrates it. .

Do you celebrate it? Like Cardinal Dolan said, the Church should transform the culture not to be transformed by it. Should any Catholic “celebrate” homosexuality? In other words, should any Catholic “celebrate” sinning? NO!

 

[Lormar]

Do you celebrate it? Like Cardinal Dolan said, the Church should transform the culture not to be transformed by it. Should any Catholic “celebrate” homosexuality? In other words, should any Catholic “celebrate” sinning? NO!

 

[LongingSoul]

Most of us older people have been reading this type of journalism most of our life and have learned to avoid gullibility. Still, the temptation to be willing gullible when a headline spins in the same direction as our own head seems unavoidable. In this, the left, right, middle, up, down, traditional and progressive all succumb.

Oh you are right and especially concerning the secular media and the willing gullibility of anti-Catholic readers or the mudslinging tactics of political reporting. It’s all part of the ‘game’.

Here we have something very different. A synod of the Catholic Church. A place striving for a consensus inspired by the Holy Spirit, on a number of difficult modern family issues. I suppose the twitterers and facebookers are just so used to verbalising every minute thought they have at the moment they have it that this whole response is unsurprising… but at the same time, I think it is important to acknowledge that faking scandal can itself be scandalous to the secular observer. I find it really distasteful in the extreme. A motive of the one we all know loves disunity and anxiety.

 

[pepipop]

Do you celebrate it? Like Cardinal Dolan said, the Church should transform the culture not to be transformed by it. Should any Catholic “celebrate” homosexuality? In other words, should any Catholic “celebrate” sinning? NO!

I’m talking about governments, and the Western ones seem to have been pushing the same sex marriage agenda, for the past few years, constantly. It’s now being pushed/introduced by the majority of EU governments and also US states,with a referendum on SSM being taken in Ireland, next year…

I’m sure not all Africans feel that homosexuality should be treated as a criminal offence but the government lay down the laws.

It’s nothing to do with the Church transforming to the culture. The Church has to react to cultural changes especially so when more of God’s children are being ‘hoodwinked’ into thinking homosexuality is completely natural, and the equivalent to heterosexual relationships - particularly so that they now may ‘legally’ marry.

As homosexuality is fully accepted, in the West, by their governments; the church has to care for homosexuals in a totally different manner than those in Africa, where the practice is seen as completely unnatural and is outlawed.

 

[saintjohnxxiii]

I’m talking about governments, and the Western ones seem to have been pushing the same sex marriage agenda, for the past few years, constantly. It’s now being pushed/introduced by the majority of EU governments and also US states,with a referendum on SSM being taken in Ireland, next year…

I’m sure not all Africans feel that homosexuality should be treated as a criminal offence but the government lay down the laws.

It’s nothing to do with the Church transforming to the culture. The Church has to react to cultural changes especially so when more of God’s children are being ‘hoodwinked’ into thinking homosexuality is completely natural, and the equivalent to heterosexual relationships - particularly so that they now may ‘legally’ marry.

As homosexuality is fully accepted, in the West, by their governments; the church has to care for homosexuals in a totally different manner than those in Africa, where the practice is seen as completely unnatural and is outlawed.

Everything you said seems nice but is totally irrelevant to this discussion. First off it was a Catholic Cardinal who said that African prelates should not have too much say at the Synod because after all they are influenced by Muslim extremism.

Now if its true that he did indeed say it, it is disgusting and offensive.

 

[PTL]

The comments are not problematic, they’re factual.

He’s German and was speaking in a second language. No doubt, when re-reading the comments they did not correspond to what the was ‘thinking’ in German. The two languages are difficult to translate with verbs in totally different places in sentences, so most probably his remarks in ‘English’ did not properly relay what he was wanting to say in German.

Do not undermine the language ability of Kasper.
According to Wikipedia, Kasper speaks German, English and Italian. He is a very brilliant man. Many Cardinals speak fluently with different languages. Do not use language barrier to disguise the fact. Can we have a break?

 

[McCall1981]

ncregister.com/blog/jdemelo/cardinal-kaspers-confusion

Cardinal Kasper’s Confusion

by Jeanette DeMelo Thursday, October 16, 2014

Cardinal Walter Kasper denies giving reporter Edward Pentin an interview after the conversation appeared on Zenit Oct. 15. Yet the interview did take place.

Pentin approached the cardinal outside the synod hall on Oct. 14. The recording is here.
The problem is Pentin had identified himself at that time as a Register correspondent, which he is. And the Register did publish Pentin’s story with the Cardinal’s remarks (which can be read here).

Pentin is a freelance writer so he also pitches news to other outlets, including Zenit. After filing the story on the cardinal’s interview with the Register but before it was published online, he posted the transcript at Zenit. Pentin has since apologized for not making known to the cardinal his intention to publish at Zenit.

But the cardinal’s confusion should end there. The cardinal was shocked that his words appeared at Zenit. But he shouldn’t be shocked by the interview’s content. The words are his — and now anyone can listen to them. Really the confusion is why would he say them?

 

[PTL]

ncregister.com/blog/jdemelo/cardinal-kaspers-confusion

Cardinal Kasper’s Confusion

by Jeanette DeMelo Thursday, October 16, 2014

Cardinal Walter Kasper denies giving reporter Edward Pentin an interview after the conversation appeared on Zenit Oct. 15. Yet the interview did take place.

Pentin approached the cardinal outside the synod hall on Oct. 14. The recording is here.
The problem is Pentin had identified himself at that time as a Register correspondent, which he is. And the Register did publish Pentin’s story with the Cardinal’s remarks (which can be read here).

Pentin is a freelance writer so he also pitches news to other outlets, including Zenit. After filing the story on the cardinal’s interview with the Register but before it was published online, he posted the transcript at Zenit. Pentin has since apologized for not making known to the cardinal his intention to publish at Zenit.

But the cardinal’s confusion should end there. The cardinal was shocked that his words appeared at Zenit. But he shouldn’t be shocked by the interview’s content. The words are his — and now anyone can listen to them. Really the confusion is why would he say them?

Well said with the proof of the recording!

Why would he say them? I think he speaks his heart while not expecting the recording to be published.

 

[Megan7]

Edward Pentin says the interview with Cardinal Kasper about the African Bishops did take place, and put the audio up on his website:

edwardpentin.co.uk/statement-on-cardinal-kasper-interview/

Dear McCall,

Thank you, for staying on top of things. God bleess you! +Pax :tiphat: