Staying free from feminist lies

[Lea101]

I didn’t say all, I said many. Of course I’ve seen examples before. Anyway, I’m glad you read that, lol

 

[Mi_Rose]

In our house the husband only wants three choices so that is what his loving wife gives him.

 

[Edmundus1581]

Gender roles are laced through the bible, from the fall, through Israel’s apostasy, the incarnation, the appointment of the disciples, the resurrection (yes, witnessed first by women), the establishment of the early church (with a male heirarchy), instructions on marriage, to the “woman clothed in the sun”.

It is a vile modern heresy to discard biblical gender roles. Amongst other things this is the basis for the “ordination of woman”, where they say that all these multiple mentions, of which @starshiptrooper has given but a few, are no longer applicable. These roles also still apply to husband and wife.

As I said in a previous post, society and feminism still very much believe in traditional gender roles, but without stating it and only to the detriment of men and advantage of women.

 

[Lea101]

Eve would have the right to tell the serpent to go back to where it come from. Anyone under any hierarchy can tell someone to not sin. You can prevent your priest from sinning, Catherine can tell the Pope to do this job, a wife can tell her husband to not watch porn etc etc.

God delegated it to men in light of the precedents set by events recorded in Scripture.

Adam was delegated authority, not all power. That’s my point.

Yes it does.

It doesn’t. You’re showing a very…superficial understanding of words. Eve was not trying to be like Adam, she was trying to be like God.

 

[Lea101]

Honestly, that phrase was probably invented just to stop women from complaining.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Eve would have the right to tell the serpent to go back to where it come from. Anyone under any hierarchy can tell someone to not sin. You can prevent your priest from sinning, Catherine can tell the Pope to do this job, a wife can tell her husband to not watch porn etc etc.

That is not the point in dispute. You claimed that events would have been similar if the Devil had approached Adam first. You have absolutely no evidence to back up that point and the opinion of St Paul against yours.

Adam was delegated authority, not all power. That’s my point.

Strawman, I never said anything about all power.

It doesn’t. You’re showing a very…superficial understanding of words. Eve was not trying to be like Adam, she was trying to be like God.

I was merely drawing an analogy between feminism and the Devil’s original offer. I never said Eve wanted to be like Adam.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Let’s not pull this one out of the context in which the Church interprets it for us. It is meant with regards to public teaching of the Scriptures within the liturgy…giving a homily. Not as in general authority- or we would not have Catholic Queens that rule nor would the OT Queens or Judges be allowed to use their God-given wisdom. Nor would we have women doing anything but kneeling at the feet of men to be their doormat.

My argument is based on Genesis. I cited 1 Timothy 2:12-14 to counter @Lea101’s baseless claim that Adam would have fallen had the Devil tempted him first.

I get that the manosphere world wants that, but sorry, it ain’t Church teaching.

The Church cannot contradict the Bible, therefore you are wrong on this point.

 

[Lea101]

I said God has all the power and the same cannot be said for men. You replied God has delegated it to man. It’s on you for not stating yourself clearly.

The sin of ‘pride’ would have occurred if Adam were to eat the fruit. Eve would have been expected to tell Adam to not sin just like how Adam didn’t tell Eve not to.

You said the first sin was feminism and I proved you wrong. And now suddenly you’re saying it’s ‘like’ feminism and it was an ‘analogy’. Hm…

It would do you good to read up on the Church’s explanation on original sin. It is a lot deeper than you think.

 

[Lea101]

Also what do you mean by this?

My argument is based on Genesis. I cited 1 Timothy 2:12-14 to counter @Lea101’s baseless claim that Adam would have fallen had the Devil tempted him first.

That verse doesn’t refute anything I said. Jeez Louise.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I said God has all the power and the same cannot be said for men. You replied God has delegated it to man. It’s on you for not stating yourself clearly.

I did state myself clearly. You are just trying to put words in my mouth so you can refute them. Not a very impressive means of argumentation.

The sin of ‘pride’ would have occurred if Adam were to eat the fruit. Eve would have been expected to tell Adam to not sin just like how Adam didn’t tell Eve not to.

You made the claim that had the Devil approached Adam instead of Eve, Adam would have sinned. What is your evidence for that point?

You said the first sin was feminism and I proved you wrong. And now suddenly you’re saying it’s ‘like’ feminism and it was an ‘analogy’. Hm…

No, you did not prove me wrong. You made a bunch of ludicrous claims with no Biblical basis whatsoever. I made my analogy in the first post, I just did not explicitly call it an analogy because I thought you would understand that it was analogy especially when I said the 2 things were similar and pointed out the similarities between them which is what an analogy is. I am not sure where the disconnect is occurring for you here.

It would do you good to read up on the Church’s explanation on original sin. It is a lot deeper than you think.

What does original sin have to do with this? I sure as heck never brought it up or used that term.

 

[Lea101]

I’ve literally explained it loud and clear.

What does original sin have to do with this? I sure as heck never brought it up or used that term.

This statement literally shows me…everything I need to know about your capacity to have a discussion. Ridiculous!

Edit: now I’m thinking you don’t know what that term means. I’m kind of shocked, but we have talked many times over the years. God bless.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Where does the Bible say women are to be kneeling at men’s feet and being their doormat?

Never said that, I believe the Biblical term is '‘helpmeet’.

What did I say about the Church that contradicts the Bible?

You claimed that Church contradicts the Scripture passages I quoted. Without providing any Scripture or Church teaching based on Scripture to back you up.

 

[starshiptrooper]

As per the Bible, Satan is called the Father of Lies and made his approach by lying to Eve. St. Paul notes this and says that while Eve was deceived, Adam was not. Therefore had the Devil approached Adam first, his efforts would have been fruitless (pun intended).

 

[Lea101]

That’s not what the verse meant. Paul basically said Adam was not lied to, not that Adam couldn’t have been lied to. There’s a difference there. He was talking about what had happened, not Adam’s ability/lack of. Your conclusion is honestly a reach.

 

[starshiptrooper]

You have no idea how tempted I am to remind you about St. Paul’s opinion’s on women teaching men Scripture and leave it there. It would be funny, but admittedly not very convincing unfortunately.

Adam certainly could have been lied to, he just would not have been as easily duped as Eve. That is why St Paul says that women are not allowed to teach or have authority over men.

 

[Lea101]

You have no idea how tempted I am to remind you about St. Paul’s opinion’s on women teaching men Scripture. It would be funny, but admittedly not very convincing unfortunately.

Of course you’re tempted. You could if you want, although that has no relevance in what we’re talking about here.

Adam certainly could have been lied to, he just would not have been as easily duped as Eve. That is why St Paul says that women are not allowed to teach or have authority over men.

That’s inaccurate. Some fundamentalist protestants would agree with you, but we are Catholics and the reason why men has more authority in certain areas is not because they are allegedly smarter. You can try to bring up Aquinas, but even what he said was refuted.

 

[starshiptrooper]

I will take the writings of St. Paul and St. Thomas Aquinas over the writings of a random internet commentator. I think am solid ground there. Pray tell, who refuted 2 of the best theologians the Church ever produced?

Lots more claims from you, but so far the only one actually citing any Scripture here is me. This is not surprising. Feminism is not Biblical as I just proved, it is quite literally Satanic.

 

[Lea101]

I can cite scripture but it doesn’t have any merit unless I’m interpreting it correctly. You’re interpreting it wrongly and the Church has explained original sin and authority clearly, yet you claim you’re right. If you think you’re somehow right because your posts contain quotes from St Paul (which you can’t even interpret properly based on what the Church has told us), nobody but God can help you.

 

[Edmundus1581]

Feminism is not Biblical as I just proved, it is quite literally Satanic.

Yes, in being murderous, and being founded in lies and forever repeating the same old lies and telling new ones.

John 8:44 New International Version (NIV)

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

 

[Lea101]

Should we bother though? I feel like we have so many of these threads and we know exactly where the Church stands on this. Yet people insist on getting their biblical interpretations on red pill forums.