Staying Married after Infidelity by Wife

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How to do it?
YOU DON’T TELL THEM AT ALL.
**You speak to a priest and a marriage counselor and not everyone on the planet. **
You don’t drag your children into your marriage issues.
You treat their mother the way you would like to be treated whenever they are around.
And most of all?/ You don’t tell everyone on the internet looking fro sympathy and not really wanting advice.

That’s how you do it.
You’re not completely innocent by what you have posted. But you seem to want to destroy this woman. You think it’s only fair. OK, if that the way you want to go with it…
Do it outside of earshot of the kids, OK?
I’m not completely innocent, but I am repentant and Forgiven by the God we both profess to worship. Might want to remember this as I’m judged a troll and other hurtful things.
I do not wish to destroy the women, only the sin that has invaded her, only the lies she has been told by the evil one.

I’m not looking for sympathy although I do appreciate any prayers both for me and for my wife to find our way closer to God and each other.
 
I’m not completely innocent, but I am repentant and Forgiven by the God we both profess to worship. Might want to remember this as I’m judged a troll and other hurtful things.
I do not wish to destroy the women, only the sin that has invaded her, only the lies she has been told by the evil one.

I’m not looking for sympathy although I do appreciate any prayers both for me and for my wife to find our way closer to God and each other.
Be assured of our prayers.
But it’s really really bad form to yak to everyone and not expect blowback.
I’m sure most of the people you told would rather not know the details. It puts them in an awkward spot that they really don’t have any business knowing about.
You can ask for prayers for a special intention, but airing dirty laundry is only to be done in the confessional and with a good Spiritual Director and Marriage Counselor.
 
I troll is a person who makes up a story or pretend to have a real post and posts I online for the “fun” of having people debate over it.
This occurs ALOT when the situation are just so absurd they strain the limits of belief.

Sorry to hear this is a real scenario.
You need counseling. Together.
And now, likely family counseling since the kids have been subjected to this drama.

And I’m wondering how you believe you can be around the large number of people you told the sordid details of your marriage???
It’s hard to believe she is hanging around.
Hard to fathom why you stick around.
You are not doing the children any favors without seriously working on it.
Sad.
I am seriously working on it. You have no idea. Yes we do need counseling together, but she won’t agree to it. I have tried to encourage my children to talk to a counselor or priest and they say they are fine. It’s much hard to be around the people I haven’t told then the people who know what is going on inside me. sordid, really? these things happen to real people all the time. to label them dirty and unmentionable is exactly the thing the devil would like us to do. She isn’t hanging around, she is far far away from me even though we live in the same house. I stick around because I believe in marriage and family and I’m starting to realize my role in it. I stick around because even after everything that has happened I still love her and would give my life for her and our kids.
This event has been the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.
 
I am seriously working on it. You have no idea. Yes we do need counseling together, but she won’t agree to it. I have tried to encourage my children to talk to a counselor or priest and they say they are fine.
**Of course they’re going to say that. It’s embarrassing. **
It’s much hard to be around the people I haven’t told then the people who know what is going on inside me. Why? Are you walking around hoping people will ask why you’re in a funk?
sordid, really? **Yes, you’ve made it sound really bad. We can only go by your words that you post here. **
these things happen to real people all the time.
to label them dirty and unmentionable is exactly the thing the devil would like us to do.
**Nobody said you don’t speak. You simply speak to the right people. The ones who can help, not everybody and their brother. **
She isn’t hanging around, she is far far away from me even though we live in the same house.
**Why are you still living together if she’s so impossible with no remorse, and no desire to fix it? **
I stick around because I believe in marriage and family and I’m starting to realize my role in it. I stick around because even after everything that has happened I still love her and would give my life for her and our kids.

This event has been the worst and best thing that has ever happened to me.
**If that is true then you are a lot more culpable than you describe in your original post. **
 
I am seriously working on it. You have no idea. Yes we do need counseling together, but she won’t agree to it. I have tried to encourage my children to talk to a counselor or priest and they say they are fine.
Your kids aren’t fine.
 
I’m only seeing the infidelity of the wife towards the husband. Men always think they can prevent the wife from leaving, but they cannot, not by civil law anyway.

My situation was different. My husband left me once, after many affairs (after 8 years of marriage and one baby boy) (we married young, but that’s no excuse). The first girl he wanted to be with was married and decided to stay with her husband. So conveniently he begged me to come back. I did, and within the next year, he not only got me pregnant, but left me again for a 18 year old druggie, whom he subsequently married. In the mean time I now had a new baby and a five year old. I was devastated, and I had little family support, so I was on my own. He demanded to leave so he could be with the new chick, and he got his way. By civil law, there is nothing to stop a spouse from leaving. The advice others gave you about “don’t leave” only will help you when it comes to getting equitable distribution for assets and possesions. If the atmosphere becomes caustic or abusive to where the wife (or husband) is in danger, don’t stay. You have a duty to protect yourself and your children. And I know what i’m talking about because i am a legal assistant working in family court/divorce matters, although at the time, all I knew how to do for a living was to type and how to waitress in my ex’s luncheonette. He was very cruel to me, controlled every penny, and not only did he want to divorce me,but then he wanted to take my kids from me. You have no idea how cruel that is to want to take the only family members whom I loved more than everything and tear them away from me. I did get a lawyer,a kind hearted attorney, and since I had no money, he let me pay the small amount he charged me on time. and in 3 months, we were divorced.

Then the ex thought it was a good idea to fabricate a neglect/abuse case with social services. This matter was quickly quashed as I explained to the social worker what was going on and had nothing to hide, and I invited them to come to my home and check on the kids any time without an invitation. In the mean time I became a devout Christian, although not yet Catholic- and began to study to become a legal assistant so I might have some control over my children and myself. My ex had this idea that he was in total control over all aspects of my life, and would continue to be so, no matter how many wives he had. He used to tell my older son, “we are going to talk to the judge and you are coming to live with me.” He s an atheist I might add, as well as a narcissist.

Social services ultimately expunged my record and the family court judge warned him to cease and desist in his harassment towards me and my family and to leave me alone or else.

Moral of this story, if someone wants a divorce it will happen. You cannot stop it, even as a catholic All you can do is stay as close to Christ and the church as you can, which you can draw great blessings and help from, and make sure you find a career to support yourself and your children. Don’t intermediately look for another man to replace the one you lost because those quick impetuous, desperate decisions almost always end up in disaster. And in the case of catholics, there is the issue of annulment. One needs to heal from a broken marriage. It is a grieving process.

I spent my time raising my kids in a christian home,and while not Catholic, they were Anglican, and at least they had a firm foundation of Christ so that when they grew up, they could be good christian productive adults. I taught them bible, they attended mass with me every week, and Sunday school, and any extracurricular church events, we attended. I converted to Catholicism, and they are now curious as to why I made that choice. I look forward to sharing my church and my mass with them and having contrast and comparisons between Catholicism and Protestantism with them. My sons are now married, and have good jobs, and one is a Calvinist unfortunately, (although better than Mormonism, etc and so forth) but open minded as to my conversion. The other doesn’t attend because he states that believes in God and doesn’t need a church building. I pray for him daily that he-that all four of them including their wives who were both raised catholic will return to our Holy Mother church.
 
I see you declare no religion in your profile. I can see why you might conclude that some action puts the marriage beyond reconciliation. This seems to deny that God exists and that he brought us together, that he didn’t see this coming, and that he changed his mind about us being right for each other.
I don’t think that to conclude that a marriage is irreparably damaged is to deny the existence of God. The Church does, after all, provide for annulments.

Why is your wife still living with you? Why hasn’t she sued for divorce? Does she give any reasons as to why she’s there?
 
Mavdragon–what advice did you get from the ten priests you consulted?
 
So many personal opinions on whether to expose the affair… as afa as children go let’s see what a relationship pro and researching professor at Brown says… very logical and provides many options.

psychologytoday.com/blog/surviving-infidelity/201305/should-the-children-know-youve-had-affair

Here is a tease from the article for those who won’t take the time to read it before speaking up…

“It is true that children can be hurt by finding out this inconvenient truth about one of their parents. And, ideally, we ought to avoid unnecessarily hurting our children at all costs. But the unfaithful spouse is mistaken to believe the pain inflicted by the affair happens at the moment the child is told. No, the harm done to the child occurs at the moment that that partner elected to go outside the marriage for an emotional or physical relationship. When an affair happens, it cheats the spouse and the family of the love and commitment of a partner and parent. Telling the child may put an ugly name on why a parent has pulled away from the family, but it is, ultimately, naming a truth. And if there is one thing that affairs teach us, it is how devastating lies can be.”

Same issues that this article covers happen with friends and family. All but the most liberal marriage counselors say to disclose the affair… someone mentioned “the fog” popular term. When you look at it as the only person speaking is the person not having the affair it seems harsh. One can’t forget that the spouse having the affair is justifying it to herself and to friends by telling the very same people all the harm and emotional abuse the the other spouse is causing. Guilt is one hell of a motivator for self justification. If the affair is not disclosed then when the marriage ends and the spouse who has been silent, protecting the other’simage is the one who is "blamed. The one committing adultery can’t go back and restate the reasons about why they are on the couch. The cheating spouse has to explain it to the kids, parents, friends etc somehow.

One has said things about the posters responsibility, well, usually the marriage is not good and the adulterer sees themselves as justified in cheating.Great marriages do not produce affairs. Like Catholics who divorce because “God doesn’t want me to be in an unhappy marriage” the cheater is making their happiness more important than their vows or faith

(for those who deny divorce is a sin, grave matter? check canon law for how to separate and the acceptable reasons. Reconciling after any danger is removed is always expected. Before you comment about what God wants, check out Hosea and Gomer usccb.org/bible/hosea/1/

God spoke to you, conflicting with what the Bible says, just for you. He wants you happy?? He wants you obedient and trusting. When you give up on marriage (not the abusive ones) you are telling God you don’t think He can fix your marriage. "CCC 1608 Nevertheless, the order of creation persists, though seriously disturbed. To heal the wounds of sin, man and woman need the help of the grace that God in his infinite mercy never refuses them.99 Without his help man and woman cannot achieve the union of their lives for which God created them “in the beginning.” 1609 In his mercy God has not forsaken sinful man. …After the fall, marriage helps to overcome self-absorption, egoism, pursuit of one’s own pleasure, and to open oneself to the other, to mutual aid and to self-giving. 1614 …The matrimonial union of man and woman is indissoluble: God himself has determined it "what therefore God has joined together, let no man put asunder.“107”

Irreconcilable diff = selfish = divorce is a sin. 3 different Catholic Apologists, who have written many books on the subject confirmed this, before I spoke. Ask them if it is a sin to break a sacramental marriage for reasons not outlined in the CCC and CL and to ignore what the Church teaches about separation with the bonds remaining. Separating can be OK if approved by Clergy… marital relations ? Can. L 1135 Each spouse has an equal duty and right to those things which belong to the partnership of conjugal life. §2. In all cases, when the cause for the separation ceases, conjugal living must be restored unless ecclesiastical authority has established otherwise. .)

Oh, forgiveness, If happy about a divorce and refusing to reconcile? Consult the CCC concerning repentance… If your divorce was not in concert with Church Teaching and spouse wants to reconcile, you refuse, are you repenting? Keeping the good of the sin , staying single? Repentance involves restitution, as is seen in Zacchaeus (Lk. 19: 8-10). Money that is stolen will not be retained but returned, when repentance is present. The adulterer will return the wife of another man or will cease his adultery with a women to whom he has no scriptural right (Matt. 19: 9). There will be no “if I have sinned” or “I sinned but…,” when repentance is truly experienced. Repentance pervades every fiber of our being and soul and can truly transform us into a mindset that receives and loves the word of God and will obey it at all costs (I Jn. 5: 3, 2: 3 ff.).
 
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“It is true that children can be hurt by finding out this inconvenient truth about one of their parents. And, ideally, we ought to avoid unnecessarily hurting our children at all costs. But the unfaithful spouse is mistaken to believe the pain inflicted by the affair happens at the moment the child is told. No, the harm done to the child occurs at the moment that that partner elected to go outside the marriage for an emotional or physical relationship. When an affair happens, it cheats the spouse and the family of the love and commitment of a partner and parent. Telling the child may put an ugly name on why a parent has pulled away from the family, but it is, ultimately, naming a truth. And if there is one thing that affairs teach us, it is how devastating lies can be.”

Same issues that this article covers happen with friends and family. All but the most liberal marriage counselors say to disclose the affair

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It’s always possible to make a bad situation worse.

This can’t possibly be a liberal vs. conservative issue, as it’s actually the most traditional approach to keep your mouth shut and keep private stuff private.

I’m not saying that that is the correct approach in all cases, but it’s not actually “traditional” to share marriage problems with children.

There’s way too much oversharing by parents in troubled marriages and divorces. It’s wrong to force a child to be an adult’s confidant and therapist.

Parents should be exerting themselves to make their children’s lives better–they shouldn’t be leaning on their minor children for emotional support.
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Also, come to think of it, Catholics believe in the sin of detraction.

“In Roman Catholic theology, detraction is the sin of revealing another person’s faults to a third person without a valid reason. This differs from the sin of calumny and the civil wrong of defamation, which generally involve false accusations rather than unflattering truths.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detraction

The problem with detraction is that restitution is virtually impossible. You can’t go back and say, “It’s not true” when it actually is true that the person has done whatever you accused them of.
 
Thank you MJJean for this healthy perpective. I wonder if some of the people posting have any idea what an affair does to the adulterer. Affairs release chemicals in the brain like oxytocin that bond the female to the man she is physical with, and other chemicals that cloud the mind like when people are infatuated with a new love.

I notice people are side stepping the fact that I needed to explain to my children why I had been acting a certain way towards their mother. You tell me people who criticize disclosure how to I explain to my kids my hurt behavior without revealing any wrongdoing on the part of the mother?
I’ve seen this claim made before, that there is “imprinting” when two people have sex, and the endorphins, and the oxy-whatevers. It makes it seem as if affairs are inevitable and that the cheater(s) are not in control of themselves.

If there is such a thing as “sex addiction” then maybe that reasoning applies.

So, is your wife at fault? Did you drive her into an addiction she can’t break free from?
 
Also, come to think of it, Catholics believe in the sin of detraction.

“In Roman Catholic theology, detraction is the sin of revealing another person’s faults to a third person without a valid reason. This differs from the sin of calumny and the civil wrong of defamation, which generally involve false accusations rather than unflattering truths.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detraction

The problem with detraction is that restitution is virtually impossible. You can’t go back and say, “It’s not true” when it actually is true that the person has done whatever you accused them of.
Excellent points.
Kids should never be dragged into it. No matter the age.
And yeah, detraction is a big no-no.
 
Excellent points.
Kids should never be dragged into it. No matter the age.
And yeah, detraction is a big no-no.
Adultery damages children like very few other actions do. Perhaps only abuse and divorce are worse.

Children are going to know something is wrong almost from the beginning. Affairs are often introduced by a distancing effect on the part of the cheating spouse which may not be noticed right away by the betrayed spouse but is often noticeable to those around them who see it but don’t know why it’s happening. This is why the damage to children from adultery doesn’t begin with disclosure, it begins the moment the cheater chooses to act on the feelings toward the “other” person ahead of the marriage and the family. Love is not a feeling, it is an act of will.

Children as a rule shouldn’t be forced to choose sides, but teenagers usually deserve to know the truth if they ask what is happening. That doesn’t mean every last detail has to be shared, or that it has to be shared if it was a one-off occurrence, only the general details need to be disclosed. If that means great embarrassment for the cheater, so be it, the cheater brought it on himself/herself.
 
Adultery damages children like very few other actions do. Perhaps only abuse and divorce are worse.

**Parents can always make things worse (including in the case of divorce) by having inappropriate conversations with children (including adult children).

Anybody with an unfaithful spouse or in the middle of a divorce needs to work very closely with a therapist and priest about what to say to kids and not be guided by what makes them feel better. You can always say more later, but you can’t take back you’ve already said. And that applies to disclosures to friends and other family members. **

Children are going to know something is wrong almost from the beginning. Affairs are often introduced by a distancing effect on the part of the cheating spouse which may not be noticed right away by the betrayed spouse but is often noticeable to those around them who see it but don’t know why it’s happening. This is why the damage to children from adultery doesn’t begin with disclosure, it begins the moment the cheater chooses to act on the feelings toward the “other” person ahead of the marriage and the family. Love is not a feeling, it is an act of will.

Yes, and part of being a loving parent is not causing damaging the child’s relationship with their other parent, no matter what a louse they are to you.
 
Also, come to think of it, Catholics believe in the sin of detraction.

“In Roman Catholic theology, detraction is the sin of revealing another person’s faults to a third person without a valid reason. This differs from the sin of calumny and the civil wrong of defamation, which generally involve false accusations rather than unflattering truths.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detraction

The problem with detraction is that restitution is virtually impossible. You can’t go back and say, “It’s not true” when it actually is true that the person has done whatever you accused them of.
Well, I feel stupid that I never knew the name of this sin! The concept…yes. The name, no.

Honestly, I don’t know what to make of this thread nor what the OP seeks. However, I agree that kids have a hard enough time growing up without adding to their stressors.
 
Well, I feel stupid that I never knew the name of this sin! The concept…yes. The name, no.
I think we do hear about the dangers of gossip, but it is uncommon to break it out into false gossip (calumny) and true gossip (detraction).

(I even had to look calumny up just now to make sure that it was the right term.)
 
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