Steve Bannon Arrested in New York on Charges of Stealing From ‘Build the Wall’ Fundraiser

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billsherman said:
ou mean refugees. If you are correct that they came from the UN - they were not seeking asylum, but had already been granted refugee status. There are very significant legal differences.
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I imagine you’re right about this.
billsherman said:
They were being helped by the Office of Refugee Resettlement which helps refugees get jobs (or training when needed), housing, medical care, and otherwise get on their feet in the US (language training when needed, etc.).
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Yes, and general acquaintence with American ways, legal system, the "do"s and “don’ts”.
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More than 100 Dioceses resettle refugees -
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Yes. And sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t. In the case I was talking about, it definitely did not and the refugees ultimately ended up on the good will of the municipality and a couple of large employers of unskilled labor. The large diocese that “wished them off” on ours simply ran out of money because (as I understand it) the refugees were so very alien that it would have taken several more years and a lot more funding to really acclimate them competently.

But none of that is my point. My real point is that I am leery of Church organizations getting into deals with the government. Examples are some of the programs that Catholic charities were disqualified for because they wouldn’t do abortion referrals and Obamacare itself. The bishops, for example, loved Obamacare until the HHS Mandate. Then they weren’t happy because the administration had promised it would not require them to participate in abortion, but then did.

The Hosana Tabor case wasn’t about government participation, but it does show what can happen when the government decides to overreach with religious organizations.
 
JanR said:
Remember, President Trump came to us from the business world.
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He’s a great salesman who can sell the same damaged car over and over again. And if he can find the right lawyers and judges he may be able to get away with it forever. But so far he can’t find judges who can give him immunity. He can’t be too happy with 39 of his associates being indicted either but who’s counting?
 
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I’m sure the Post Office was “also linked” to Bannon in some way. He might have sent out Christmas cards or something. This article is nothing but a hit piece. it doesn’t allege any wrongdoing by that company, let alone Trump himself.
 
So, you’re not claiming any factual errors in the piece, just that it’s reporting something that drew the interest of the Pentagon’s inspector general. Got it.
 
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Roger Stone was entrapped into committing a “process crime”.
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If that were true his lawyers would have plead entrapment and the charges would have been dropped.
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I don’t think pleading entrapment would have done any good. They were out to get Roger Stone, no matter what, and even if they bothered to listen to a plea of entrapment, they would have found another excuse or loophole to deny it and go after him, anyway. “Justice” meant “just us”.
 
JanR said:
They were out to get Roger Stone, no matter what, and even if they bothered to listen to a plea of entrapment, they would have found another excuse or loophole to deny it and go after him, anyway.
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My! A veritable lynch mob? That’s a wild exaggeration.
 
JanR said:
Bannon was fired early in Mr. Trump’s administration. Evidently, he saw something back then in him that he felt undesirable enough to terminate his services for.
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In August 2016 - Trump was trailing Clinton by twelve points and had a large amount of negative press. At this point, in need of money, Trump sold his losing campaign. The right wing billionaire Bob Mercer, who was a Ted Cruz backer had shifted his support to Trump; providing five million dollars to help the ailing campaign.

Trump had no relationships with Robert or his daughter Rebecca Mercer. The Mercer’s presented their plan to take over his campaign and insert their lieutenant’s; Steve Bannon & Kelly Ann Conway - Trump did not resist, he only expressed incomprehension as to why anyone would want to do that? He was losing…

Steve Bannon called this the “Broke Di*k” campaign; he publicly mocked how everyone on the team was an idiot. There was many structural issues; one of them - the candidate stated himself to be a billionaire ten times over, yet refused to invest his own money into the campaign. The best Trump as able to accomplish was to loan to the campaign for ten million dollars.

In the end, Trump miraculously won and Steve was quick to point out how instrumental he was in making that happen. So much so that he was quoted in books, headlined in articles and was on the cover of Time Magazine. Of course, Trump cannot stand anyone but himself receiving any attention…much less credit.
 
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JanR said:
I don’t think pleading entrapment would have done any good. They were out to get Roger Stone, no matter what, and even if they bothered to listen to a plea of entrapment, they would have found another excuse or loophole to deny it and go after him, anyway. “Justice” meant “just us”.
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It’s “charging the law of averages”. Some prosecutors swarm a defendant with charges or some filed and some threatened charges, sometimes in multiple jurisdictions, and the defendant just caves, because the law of averages dictates than one or two will stick. Few individuals have the resources to fight off even one charge, let alone several.
 
Then again, there is always the possibility that the man did do the thing he is being accursed of.

Sometimes the various law and order organizations are right.
 
There are some things you don’t joke about.

Prosecution has a paper trail now. Joking about is a backfire.
 
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