Stop being gay?

[josh987654321]

Than I don’t get it. God made man and woman to produce children. I am just curious as to how many Catholics use artificial birth control otherwise there all would be huge families at Mass. This is driving me crazy. Nit picking.

We are not nit picking.

In 1968, Pope Paul VI issued his landmark encyclical letter Humanae Vitae (Latin, “Human Life”), which reemphasized the Church’s constant teaching that it is always intrinsically wrong to use contraception to prevent new human beings from coming into existence.

Read more.

Humanae Vitae

What kind of loving God will send me to Hell when my sin is loving someone? I have not killed anyone or any of that.

Your sin is not loving someone, the word love in today’s vocabulary has been so grossly misused and abused in this regard.

Use rosary think you choose to be gay but than why would we choose this. Discriminated against, lives thwarted etc.

We are not saying that you choose to be gay, we are saying that you do choose whether you act on those desires or not, like I said many times, should we all just give into our every desires, throw our hands up in the air and say “If God didn’t want me to do this than he wouldn’t have given me the desire to do it?”

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[epiclotus]

Than I don’t get it. God made man and woman to produce children. I am just curious as to how many Catholics use artificial birth control otherwise there all would be huge families at Mass.This is driving me crazy. Nit pickingWhat kind of loving God will send me to He’ll when my sin is loving someone?, I have not killed anyone or any of that.Use rosary think you choose to be gay but than why would we choose this. Discriminated against, lives thwarted etc.

Let me hopefully break this down for you a little bit.

“I am just curious as to how many Catholics use artificial birth control otherwise there all would be huge families at Mass.”

You are absolutely spot on. There should be much larger families at Mass, and it is a very sad reality of our society today. I can tell that, as one who wishes for a larger family but does not yet have one, birth control is a plague on our society. It’s been so ingrained into the minds of our culture, but that does not make it right.

Acceptance of a sin by many does not make something right, and birth control is just such a thing.

“What kind of loving God will send me to [Hell] when my sin is loving someone?”

This is the wrong question to ask. God does not “send” anyone to Hell, but wishes that all would be saved. Love is not a sin, and indeed, is a virtue. Sin enters into the equation when love becomes distorted either through the fallen state of our world or through the choices we make. You are not being told to stop loving anyone, but that you should learn to see your partner as a sister in Christ rather than a spouse… You are not being told to stop loving anyone, but that your attraction to your partner should not lead to sex.

“I have not killed anyone or any of that.”

Sadly, there are many sins in this world. They all damage our relationship with God. All sins have consequences, and the struggles you face are a result of the many choices you have made in your life. God loves you, and yes, He did make you, but we live in a fallen world and are born into sin. Each of us struggles in our own way with different sins, and some are inclined to greater temptations. We must each do our best every day to be right with God through our actions.

You may have been born with same-sex attraction, but God did not force you to act upon that. You may love your partner, but God did not force you to go through a marriage ceremony. You may love your child, but God did not force you to use artificial means of insemination (if I read a previous posting properly). There are elements in all of these (God gave you life, love, and a child) that are very good things, but the way you have gone about them has brought you to a place which brings a lot of pain when you try to reconcile your life with God. You could have chosen a life of celibacy and devotion to God that would have helped you deal with same-sex attraction. You could have chosen to give your love to the poor and the needy and spread the love of God to many. You could have chosen to work with orphans and those from displace homes, and been a mother to many children in much the same way.

There are always choices in our lives that go one way or another, and none of these things I have said are out of your reach. What I say is but a paltry example of how a life may take different turns. We are not here to judge you, but there is another way to move forward aside from turning away from the Church. Please seek the counsel of a priest in your local parish, and I am sure he will have many helpful suggestions. You can have a life full of joy, love, and in true communion with our Heavenly Father. It will take much work to come to such a place from where you are, but it is worth the journey. I sincerely hope you will make the effort.

 

[josh987654321]

Let me hopefully break this down for you a little bit.

“I am just curious as to how many Catholics use artificial birth control otherwise there all would be huge families at Mass.”

You are absolutely spot on. There should be much larger families at Mass, and it is a very sad reality of our society today. I can tell that, as one who wishes for a larger family but does not yet have one, birth control is a plague on our society. It’s been so ingrained into the minds of our culture, but that does not make it right.

Acceptance of a sin by many does not make something right, and birth control is just such a thing.

“What kind of loving God will send me to [Hell] when my sin is loving someone?”

This is the wrong question to ask. God does not “send” anyone to Hell, but wishes that all would be saved. Love is not a sin, and indeed, is a virtue. Sin enters into the equation when love becomes distorted either through the fallen state of our world or through the choices we make. You are not being told to stop loving anyone, but that you should learn to see your partner as a sister in Christ rather than a spouse… You are not being told to stop loving anyone, but that your attraction to your partner should not lead to sex.

“I have not killed anyone or any of that.”

Sadly, there are many sins in this world. They all damage our relationship with God. All sins have consequences, and the struggles you face are a result of the many choices you have made in your life. God loves you, and yes, He did make you, but we live in a fallen world and are born into sin. Each of us struggles in our own way with different sins, and some are inclined to greater temptations. We must each do our best every day to be right with God through our actions.

You may have been born with same-sex attraction, but God did not force you to act upon that.

There are always choices in our lives that go one way or another, and none of these things I have said are out of your reach. What I say is but a paltry example of how a life may take different turns. We are not here to judge you, but there is another way to move forward aside from turning away from the Church. Please seek the counsel of a priest in your local parish, and I am sure he will have many helpful suggestions. You can have a life full of joy, love, and in true communion with our Heavenly Father. It will take much work to come to such a place from where you are, but it is worth the journey. I sincerely hope you will make the effort.

epiclotus :clapping:

What epiclotus has said blessed is he.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Blessed_is_He]

No I meant that I am nit picking. As for artificial insemination God still is in charge…If He didn’t want me to have a baby there would be no amount of specimens that would make me pregnant. Don’t try to round about saying my son was a mistake. He is not

 

[epiclotus]

That was not what I said or implied. I never used the word “mistake”, and that was for a reason. I specifically said that God giving you a son was a good thing. That does not make the way in which you became pregnant good. There are many acts in this world that are wrong despite any good which comes out of the action. We must not justify wrong actions by their outcomes. Would a child born as a result of an adulterous relationship justify the affair? No. Just because wrong actions can and do lead to good outcomes does not mean we should resort to them. There are many ways to reach outcomes, but frequently, there are very few that are truly right.

This is the point I am trying to help you with: we are the product of our choices. Your present situation is one born of the choices you have made in your life. Some of them have been wrong, but that does not mean there is no good in your life. You can, every single day, take steps in the right direction. It all starts with just one step. As much as I enjoy posting on a message board, though, only through local help will you be able to find the right kind of connections to guide you on this journey.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

So a married couple have basics permission to do anything even though sodomy is the key sin which I had no idea that it also includes oral… Well lol than most of humanity has broken that sin…anyway, so it’s wrong for ws but not as bad a sin for str8 people?

My understanding: For straight married people, oral stimulation is permissible as foreplay, with no ejaculation involved, if it does not lead to lust. I know this might sound to you like “married people can do anything”, but trust me, it’s a pretty severe restriction. And there’s a good reason for it. In my experience (as a man, of course) of oral sex that leads to orgasm, it is very much NOT unitive. It *feels *like using a woman.

I cannot speak to emotional structure of lesbian sex, at all. But it seems to me that anti-procreative sex between two men or between a man and a woman are fundamentally selfish acts.

God made man and woman to produce children. I am just curious as to how many Catholics use artificial birth control otherwise there all would be huge families at Mass.This is driving me crazy.

Yes, too many Catholics have contraceptive sex. Others, like myself, run around like crazy after my five children. Still others use natural family planning effectively – it can be done!

What kind of loving God will send me to He’ll when my sin is loving someone?

Do you think we want you to repent out of fear of hell? God doesn’t send people to hell. If they go to hell, it’s because they don’t want to be with God.

*Is *your sin loving someone? (I’m honestly asking, not assuming I know the answer). Are you acting out of love, or out of fear? If I were in your position, I would feel trapped under the burden of obligations I had taken on, and under bonds of loyalty I had toward the gay community. I would be terrified of shaking any of these things up. It would probably be very hard for me to think about what was really best for my partner or my son. I’m sure that, if God called me from that place, I would want to flee back to the comfortable pleasures I had established for myself. But God would give me the courage, if I asked, to do something more.

Whatever you do, don’t act out of fear – not fear of hell, not fear of disloyalty. Act out of love. But remember that love is not the same thing as comfort.

 

[Blessed_is_He]

Thank you all for the interesting conversations.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Thank you all for the interesting conversations.

And thank you. I am praying for you, and I wish you all God’s blessings!

 

[DebChris]

That was not what I said or implied. I never used the word “mistake”, and that was for a reason. I specifically said that God giving you a son was a good thing. That does not make the way in which you became pregnant good. There are many acts in this world that are wrong despite any good which comes out of the action. We must not justify wrong actions by their outcomes. Would a child born as a result of an adulterous relationship justify the affair? No. Just because wrong actions can and do lead to good outcomes does not mean we should resort to them. There are many ways to reach outcomes, but frequently, there are very few that are truly right.

This is the point I am trying to help you with: we are the product of our choices. Your present situation is one born of the choices you have made in your life. Some of them have been wrong, but that does not mean there is no good in your life. You can, every single day, take steps in the right direction. It all starts with just one step. As much as I enjoy posting on a message board, though, only through local help will you be able to find the right kind of connections to guide you on this journey.

Epitocus–Thank you for rewording much of what I have being trying to say throughout this thread, in this and your previous post.

@ Blessed is He–Watch again the video I posted earlier in this thread. God loves you, and He will be your guide if and only if you allow Him to be. You are never alone on your journey. Check out Courage, the Church’s outreach. I posted the link.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

Its just that the Catholic church makes me feel guilty. Me and my partner were fine about joining to Mass down the street until last Sunday when one of the prayer intentions was “for the sanctify of traditional marriage.” Right there I felt unwelcome. It hurts gay people when such things are said from the pulpit. Like we don’t feel.I feel perfectly happy until I am reminded in the churches eyes that I can not be in communion with God because of how He made me. Next Sunday we will try joining to the American Catholic church were we will feel welcomed.

Is your goal to seek God and be closer to him (your original post) or to feel welcome in any Church?

If it is the latter, you aren;t really seeking God; you are seeking acceptance for how you want to live your life. Everyone has crosses they must bear, but we do not all keep seeking a Church that endorses those crosses as not actual crosses. Married spouses who may “fall in love” with someone other than their spouse generally don’t look for a church that endorses adultery.

If you are simply looking for a group that fits your worldview, what is the point of such solidarity? It is based on sand, and can change on a whim. Where is the comfort in that? That is what Martin Luther did.

 

[Julian_Bashir]

Sorry I am half drunk I might have formulated my sentences wrong.

What I wanted to say is that gay marriages etc are condemned and looked upon as evil.

But that I cannot quite agree with it. And I am against making life since this world is rotten. But if you take good care of the life you create I am sure your fine. Just make sure the kid has an uncle or someone that could teach him/her a man role.

Giving advice on Catholic teaching that does actually include Catholic teaching whilst admittedly half-drunk is generally a bad idea.

 

[tskrobacz]

I want to be closer to God. I am a lesbian who is in a committed relationship for 8 years now. We have a baby boy too. I don’t need the whole debate of is being gay a sin. I just need advice. Should I just stop being gay to get closer to Him? I mean I can properly stop the prshical side of it but the emotional aspect of not loving her as my spouse I don’t know. Then if we just stay friends how do I explain what type of relationship to our son? Should I just turn my back on the gay community? Than again what if God isn’t even asking me to sacrifice this and I am just causing myself anguish? Thanks

You might find hope in recent developments in epigenetics. In studying identical twins (identical DNA) where one twin is Gay and the other is not scientists have in the past few years determined that individual genes, while common, can be turned on and off. In addition to it’s potential to explain SSA they hope to unlock the key to other mysteries (for example Diabetes, Cancer). Should it come to pass that a naturally occuring genetic signature is a factor in sexual orientation the Church may have no choice but to reconsider it’s position. Until such time, it’s current position is a catalyst and strong motivator for increasing human understanding in order to provide real answers for all that struggle in situations similar to your own.