Stop being gay?

[Meemai]

Exactly.I compare our relationship to straight. I waited to know that she was the one…she is the only sexual partner ever. We had a ceremony and are 100% faithful and we do not believe in divorce. So the act between me and my partner is a sin cuz we can’t naturally have children. That’s all it is.So what you are a reformed gay? Reading these posts I have been through many emotions and my conclusion is as people who feel ashamed of being gay…it’s who you are. As long as you lead a good life who cares. I am done!

I am not gay, but I wish you luck. I don’t understand how you could pick on gays. I don’t even understand why celibacy is being seen as a virtue, because in the end you deny to make a life. While the most important thing seems to be to make life?

I think there’s a lot we fail to understand. But whatever happens I hope people with not condemn you and leave you be. But I am in many topics involved regarding gays, and I do advice you to stay out of them as your fellow catholics will just hurt you really hard in thos topics. While some might take a stand for you, I intend to make a stand. But to be honest. I cannot go hand in hand with a religion that starts being homophobic.

I wish you well!

 

[Blessed_is_He]

Ummm what? I am not attacking gays. Making a life as in a baby? I have made a life. As for how he was conceived the same way babies are made…the process is the same the only difference is there isn’t a physical man.

 

[Meemai]

Ummm what? I am not attacking gays. Making a life as in a baby? I have made a life. As for how he was conceived the same way babies are made…the process is the same the only difference is there isn’t a physical man.

Sorry I am half drunk I might have formulated my sentences wrong.

What I wanted to say is that gay marriages etc are condemned and looked upon as evil.

But that I cannot quite agree with it. And I am against making life since this world is rotten. But if you take good care of the life you create I am sure your fine. Just make sure the kid has an uncle or someone that could teach him/her a man role.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Blessed,

Your progression in this thread puzzles me. You started by asking people what you should do, and asked, “Should I just stop being gay to get closer to God?” People answered, by and large, that you probably can’t just stop being gay, but that you can choose to refrain from sexual sin – and this is a way of getting closer to God. Now, as I read it, you feel like you are being attacked, and you are defending yourself and your present situation. Can you point out what made you feel attacked, perhaps? I thought you didn’t want this to be a conversation about “the whole debate of is being gay a sin”?

I would highly recommend you read some writing by Eve Tushnet, a lesbian Catholic blogger who is totally awesome. She agrees with you that Catholics are hopelessly backward in their attitudes about gay people, but she agrees with the Church that homosexuals are called to celibacy. A quote from her, a bit out of context:

“Why should we accept celibacy as the consequence of elements of a person’s life which already mark them out as marginalized and stigmatized? Does that sound like something God would do–separate a person from the love of their community and then deny them the love of a spouse?”

And once we’ve reframed things in this way, we can see that maybe what we should work on changing is the stigma, rather than the celibacy. If we can’t accept Church teaching because it seems to impose a difficult sacrifice on people who are already lonely and outcast, maybe it’s the “lonely and outcast” part we should be trying to change. Again, if we expanded our concept of vocation and honored other forms of love, I think this notion of celibacy as a uniquely awful form of lovelessness imposed on gay people would seem much less plausible.

See patheos.com/blogs/evetushnet/2012/10/celibacy-as-a-mandate-not-the-fun-kind.html

Tushnet and some others are working on an understanding of homosexuality as a sort of opportunity for what’s called “spiritual friendship”.

So if I am chaste I would still be gay and those words would still hurt.

What about the words hurt? (I assume you’re talking about the prayer of the faithful you mentioned earlier). These words are not aimed at excluding gay people. They are aimed at helping as many kids as possible have both a mother and a father. Maybe it would be helpful, however, if there were an additional prayer of the faithful, which asked the Lord to strengthen our homosexual brothers and sisters in their vocations within the Church, and help them to live holy and virtuous lives? I think that would be a wonderful thing, and I – selfishly – would love for women like you to engage with the Church, so that we can be more sensitive and loving about these issues.

 

[Blessed_is_He]

Meehan wow are you constantly drunk? Jk but ok that was a misunderstanding.

Prodigal son sorry my emotions are over the place

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Prodigal son sorry my emotions are over the place

Understood. At least you’re not drunk.

Seriously, I am praying for you. May the Lord bless you, your partner, and your son abundantly. May He grant you wisdom and courage! Amen.

 

[Atheistguy]

Being gay is not a choice

 

[josh987654321]

Being gay is not a choice

Neither is being heterosexual, or paedophilia but acting on such desires is a choice.

(Note: I am not relating the sexual acts of homosexuality to that of those who act on paedophilia desires, because they are no where near comparable in that regard, simply relating it to the “born that way” and therefore must be right, which obviously isn’t true. Not everything we desire is good for us nor righteous, because that’s like saying “If God didn’t want me to do this, than he wouldn’t have given me the desire to do it” not one person doesn’t suffer from immoral desires).

It’s simply the sexual acts of homosexuality which are sinful.

Telling us to obey instinct is like telling us to obey ‘people.’ People say different things: so do instincts. Our instincts are at war… Each instinct, if you listen to it, will claim to be gratified at the expense of the rest.
C.S. Lewis -

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

So if I am chaste I would still be gay and those words would still hurt. I am suppose to be like well that’s not me anymore.

Why would it still hurt? not one of us doesn’t have an immoral desire.

The act of sex is to have children so is that WHY homosexuality is impossibly wrong? What if the woman can’t bear children then that couple should abstain?

No. The sexual acts of homosexuality is wrong, because it means using the bodies organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for.

The only reason that the American Catholic church exists is for the ones that are turned away by Rome. We would love to be Roman Catholic. But how can I explain when my son asks why do we go to a church that doesn’t want US ? Sorry , auto correct.

Like I said, you shouldn’t feel that way, it is us who reject Christ, not the other way around.

Those words that Christ uttered “come to me” are directed to ALL souls without exception.

For love of souls, Jesus Christ remains a prisoner in the Holy Eucharist, so that in our sorrow and grief we are being consoled by the most tender of Hearts, by the best of Fathers, by the most loyal friend.

But that Love, which is consumed for the good of mankind, is not going to be returned. Jesus lives amongst us sinners to be our salvation and our life, our doctor and medicine; yet we, in return, in spite of our sick nature, distance ourselves from him.

Do not distance yourself from Jesus Christ. He waits for you night and day at the Tabernacle.

He will not reproach you for your crimes; he will not throw your sins in your face. What he will do is to wash you with the Blood of his wounds. Do not be afraid; go to Christ. You do not know how much he loves you.

I am just trying to find out where I fit in…liberal I feel I am too conservative for and traditional I am too liberal for. The church says basics we are not allowed to have families, dating, sex. What so we just as well crawl under a rock and die.

Did Jesus and his disciples crawl under a rock and die? they didn’t have any of those things. Do you want to be told what you want to hear, or the truth?

Sometimes, we like to pretend that we don’t know what God wants, when in actual fact we do, we just don’t like his answer.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

Exactly.I compare our relationship to straight. I waited to know that she was the one…she is the only sexual partner ever. We had a ceremony and are 100% faithful and we do not believe in divorce. So the act between me and my partner is a sin cuz we can’t naturally have children.

No, it isn’t a sin because you cannot have children, it’s a sin because the sexual acts of homosexuality means to use the bodies organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for, you are part of the body of Christ and it is sinful when we misuse that body for our own pleasure and desires.

That’s all it is.So what you are a reformed gay? Reading these posts I have been through many emotions and my conclusion is as people who feel ashamed of being gay…it’s who you are. As long as you lead a good life who cares. I am done!

You say “as long as you lead a good life, who cares?” but a good life according to whom?

Also being “gay” is not who you are, just like I wouldn’t say “I’m heterosexual and that is who I am.”

Not one person doesn’t suffer from immoral desires, like I said, should we all just give into our every desire and say “If God didn’t want me to do this, than he wouldn’t have given me the desire to do it”?

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[josh987654321]

Ummm what? I am not attacking gays. Making a life as in a baby? I have made a life. As for how he was conceived the same way babies are made…the process is the same the only difference is there isn’t a physical man.

Every Child has a biological mother and father. So the question is, where is the father? is it right to intentionally deprive a child of their biological mother or father if it isn’t done to benefit the child? When you remove your child’s biological father from his life, who was it meant to benefit?

Do you ever wonder why we have a sort of longing to find out where we come from? or why those who have been adopted eventually go looking for their biological parents?

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Atheistguy]

But it is how they show they love. I made love to many “ladys of the night” that i dont care about but if i was gay and did it with a man that would be wrong it just doesnt seem to add up im not gay and im not a catholic But i love all men and woman equaly weither your gay or not.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

But it is how they show they love. I made love to many “ladys of the night” that i dont care about but if i was gay and did it with a man that would be wrong it just doesnt seem to add up im not gay and im not a catholic But i love all men and woman equaly weither your gay or not.

Um, unmarried sex is just as wrong for Catholics, whether you’re gay or straight.

 

[josh987654321]

But it is how they show they love. I made love to many “ladys of the night” that i dont care about but if i was gay and did it with a man that would be wrong it just doesnt seem to add up im not gay and im not a catholic But i love all men and woman equaly weither your gay or not.

No. Quite simple, you are also acting gravely immoral.

You say it’s how we show love, but show love to whom? yourself id say. You even said “that I don’t care about.” How is that love? I’ll tell you what it is, it’s love of self.

You say “you love all men and women equally”, yet you say having sex with them is love, so should we all just have one big orgy with one another, wouldn’t that be the ultimate act of love according to you? Do you have any sexual morality?

When a man cheats on his wife, do we say he acted out of love? love for himself maybe.

Our sexuality is sacred. It is immoral to violate it.

When or if I marry, I would not want to find that she had violated her sexuality by sleeping with others before we married, so why would I do it to her?

Yet again, with your attitude that “If it’s not hurting anyone else than what’s wrong with it” the truth is turned upside down and rejected and our lust is embraced.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Atheistguy]

It is called makeing love i dont mean we should have it when were two young and i would never have sex with a man but sex is how you show your love to a woman if a man loves a man he should make love to him and then make the relationship work but i under stand your point but marriage is not for every one.

 

[josh987654321]

It is called makeing love i dont mean we should have it when were two young and i would never have sex with a man but sex is how you show your love to a woman if a man loves a man he should make love to him and then make the relationship work but i under stand your point but marriage is not for every one.

This is exactly the problem with society. It may be called “making love” according to you, but certainly not according to us, certainly not in the Christian sense, the word love is the one word that has been so grossly misused in today’s society.

Like I said, with your view, our lust is embraced and the truth is turned upside down and rejected.

You misunderstand sex, it is to enhance the bond of wife and husband and results in procreation for many, it is where they consummate the marriage with such an intimate union with one another, the less and less sacred your sexuality becomes, the less and less intimate the relationship will be with you and your wife when/if you marry.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[Atheistguy]

Miss using sex? it is sex its not like a cookie you eat it once then its gone. it is there for you when ever a man and a woman i see no different between them loving each outer and a man with another man.

 

[josh987654321]

Miss using sex? it is sex its not like a cookie you eat it once then its gone. it is there for you when ever a man and a woman i see no different between them loving each outer and a man with another man.

With what you have said, if you can’t tell why fornication and/or promiscuity is immoral, than I don’t expect you to distinguish between the two.

I have to go, I will be back later where I will try and explain it for you in a way you might understand. Id say we almost need to start another thread.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh

 

[DebChris]

It is called makeing love i dont mean we should have it when were two young and i would never have sex with a man but sex is how you show your love to a woman if a man loves a man he should make love to him and then make the relationship work but i under stand your point but marriage is not for every one.

There is a sanctity to sexuality. Matrimony within the Catholic Church is one of the seven Sacraments giving conjugal love between a man and woman special honor. You are right in saying that not all are called to marriage. Some of us are called to a single life of celibacy and self-mastery which brings its own inner freedom. There are many different ways to show love. Where you would make love and then make the relationship work, my view would be reversed. The relationship would come first with conjugal love being an integral part of the marital relationship.
Many people have difficulty with the idea of conjugal fidelity that the Church teaches, this idea of an “indissoluble covenant” between a man and woman. As mentioned in my first post only a monogamous relationship between man and woman gives equal dignity to both man and woman.

 

[Atheistguy]

I have slept with people i truly don’t care for. i think you dont have to care for someone to have sex. but i believe people that do “have that speical one” more power to them. and yes sometimes there are two guys or girls. i care for every one but thats just me being a horrible atheist.