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Prodigal Son and Josh have both written some excellent posts that should help guide you back to the Catholic Church.
They may not be telling you what you want to hear, but friends tell you the truth. The Catholic Church will not comfort you with a lie, even if it is not what you want to hear. It may be time to make an appointment for a private session with your parish priest.

Several weeks ago, a friend of mine posted a youtube video of a now happily married former lesbian professor. I admit that I have been tempted to post it. It is her witness of transformation, but I don’t see how it will be helpful. The Catholic Church does not teach that those with SSA will become straight. Instead it calls those with SSA to chastity.

As I read your posts, I see somebody who knows what she needs to do. There is a often a lapse between decision and action. None of us changes except by God’s grace and His transforming power.
 
I have seen a video of a minister and some members giving a teen an exorcism to combat the demon that causes hohomosexuality. What?
 
Prodigal Son and Josh have both written some excellent posts that should help guide you back to the Catholic Church.
They may not be telling you what you want to hear, but friends tell you the truth. The Catholic Church will not comfort you with a lie, even if it is what you want to hear. It may be time to make an appointment for a private session with your parish priest.
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I am not gay, but I wish you luck. I don’t understand how you could pick on gays.
When a parent tells his child not to drink washing detergent, do they do that because they want to pick on their kids? or is it because they know washing detergent isn’t supposed to be drunk?
I don’t even understand why celibacy is being seen as a virtue, because in the end you deny to make a life. While the most important thing seems to be to make life?
? What do you mean here? you don’t understand why the Church teaches us that certain sexual acts are sinful?
But whatever happens I hope people will not condemn you and leave you be.
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But I am in many topics involved regarding gays, and I do advice you to stay out of them as your fellow catholics will just hurt you really hard in thos topics. While some might take a stand for you, I intend to make a stand. But to be honest. I cannot go hand in hand with a religion that starts being homophobic.

I wish you well!
Whoa, so many misconceptions, where do I begin?

What DebChris has said -
They may not be telling you what you want to hear, but friends tell you the truth. The Catholic Church will not comfort you with a lie, even if it is what you want to hear. It may be time to make an appointment for a private session with your parish priest.
 
I have seen a video of a minister and some members giving a teen an exorcism to combat the demon that causes homosexuality. What?
Catholic??

I would be very surprised if the Catholic Church did such things. If that were the case we would all need exorcism’s to remove our desires for sin.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
I have seen a video of a minister and some members giving a teen an exorcism to combat the demon that causes homosexuality. What?
No, that’s not the one I was referring to. I just went to youtube, but there are so many videos that I couldn’t find the one my friend sent. If I do find it, I think I might post. I am very selective of such things. It may be a few days as I am flying back the states this evening.
The focus of the one I watched was on God’s grace.
This where you need to be careful of churches other than the Catholic Church that adheres to Apostolic Tradition, protected by the the Holy Spirit through the Magisterium for all generations.

Found one on God’s grace and the true teachings of the Catholic Church on homosexuality.
youtube.com/watch?v=crfAsWacA-w
 
So certain kinds of sex is a sin…stright people do those same acts…so does that put straights in the same category? Now the lines are getting blurred. I have heard the only sex that isn’t a sin is missionary position. And why because that one is likely to produce children…full circle backto my theory
 
I second all the suggestions to talk to the priest at your local Roman Catholic parish. If he is unable to give good counsel (which should be rare), call the local Archdiocese about connecting with resources for this. There are many good people in the Church that want to help those who struggle with homosexual desires.

As to your son with your partner? That’s going to be very tough, and I would again seek spiritual counsel. The path ahead of you is going to be hard, and it will only be with the help of your local priest and community that it will be possible. Ask for help, and I pray that you will be shown the path.
 
There’s only so much I can say concerning this issue since I’m very young but:

At first…I didn’t understand about homosexuality. I was appalled and thought they could help it. Very ignorant, yes.
But as I grew, heard both sides, delved into the church’s teaching, I began to see homosexuality for what it really was. I began to imagine how hard and lonely it must be for a gay catholic who was following the church’s teaching and the pain really touched my heart. In fact, I began to doubt the church’s teachings on gays and gay marriage and thought that maybe my natural instincts were wrong.

But then I came upon people like SteveGershom and other gay catholics,what I realized was that through their sacrifice,their suffering, they encountered Christ’s love more as Jesus himself experienced the ultimate sacrifice.
Steve Gershom became a role model for me because he showed me what it means to truly love and trust God. Trust that in his creating man and woman, he knew what he was doing, trust that the God who understands that he didn’t chose to be Gay would provide him with the love he needs.

I don’t truly understand your situation but i just wanted you to know that there are many in your shoes who are happy living according to the church. The church doesnt want you to be unhappy but she wants you to experience authentic joy and happiness

I implore you to check out steve gershom’s blog.
 
So certain kinds of sex is a sin…stright people do those same acts…so does that put straights in the same category? Now the lines are getting blurred. I have heard the only sex that isn’t a sin is missionary position. And why because that one is likely to produce children…full circle backto my theory
I do watch non-Catholic preachers. I think it was JD Jakes who had an excellent sermon on “What did Eve eat?” Eve ate a lie. After Eve ate that lie, the world began to accept the lies the devil told. Men and women began to look at each other differently. We stopped trusting, and began lusting. This is a synopsis. It has been a while since I actually saw the sermon, but I think you get the gist. In any case, the sermon I watched was in line with Catholic teaching.
Sexuality is sacred, but we have debased it and made it purely physical. The Catholic Church teaches that Matrimony is one of the seven Sacraments. It points to the wedding of Cana where Jesus performed his first miracle. It also points to Genesis in which God formed woman from man, and for “this reason man shall leave father and mother and cling to his wife.”
I still need to read Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body which again gets back to this idea of the sacredness of the human body. For when God looked back on all that he had made, he found that it was “very good.” If we look at the body and sexuality as sacred, then we will naturally save the conjugal act for marriage. The Catholic Church does not tell couples what positions to use or not use.
St. Paul reminds us that the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit dwells within every baptized Catholic. When Scripture talks about the sexual sins, it talks about how they hurt the sinner. If I steal something, I steal from another person. The person who commits adultery not only betrays his wife, he is also hurting his own body and sinning against himself.

Do check out the link I posted.
 
So certain kinds of sex is a sin…stright people do those same acts…so does that put straights in the same category? Now the lines are getting blurred. I have heard the only sex that isn’t a sin is missionary position. And why because that one is likely to produce children…full circle backto my theory
First of all, within marriage, any sexual position is OK. That whole missionary position rule is a bad rumor.

Second, although you will hear different things on this, within marriage, there are few sexual acts that are expressly forbidden by the Church. The Church is mostly concerned with attitudes: that the act not be self-seeking, but rather a complete gift of self. Straight couples are instructed, accordingly, to make sure that their lovemaking is not intentionally contraceptive.

But maybe you’re asking about straight people who are unmarried? In their case, the Church’s view is that unmarried straight sex is no less sinful than gay sex, as I said above. Now it is true that many Catholics ACT as if gay sex is somehow especially forbidden, but that’s their problem – and I apologize on their behalf.
 
First of all, within marriage, any sexual position is OK. That whole missionary position rule is a bad rumor.

Second, although you will hear different things on this, within marriage, there are few sexual acts that are expressly forbidden by the Church. The Church is mostly concerned with attitudes: that the act not be self-seeking, but rather a complete gift of self. Straight couples are instructed, accordingly, to make sure that their lovemaking is not intentionally contraceptive.

But maybe you’re asking about straight people who are unmarried? In their case, the Church’s view is that unmarried straight sex is no less sinful than gay sex, as I said above. Now it is true that many Catholics ACT as if gay sex is somehow especially forbidden, but that’s their problem – and I apologize on their behalf.
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It is not one rule for homosexuals and another for heterosexuals, it’s based on the act, the sexual acts of homosexuality are immoral for anyone and if a heterosexual wanted to act in a similar way, (e.g. sodomy) than that is no different.

The common response is that heterosexuals don’t usually desire the sexual acts of homosexuality (e.g. sodomy) so therefore it’s unfair, however our desire for something does not change the morality of the act. If I desire theft enough, will that make the act of theft suddenly moral? I may have a difficult cross to bear, but for people to say that you should give into those desires because of how strong they are or that it’s right because of how strong such desires are is wrong. The morality of the act doesn’t change because of our desire to commit it.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
It is not one rule for homosexuals and another for heterosexuals, it’s based on the act, **the sexual acts of homosexuality **are immoral for anyone and if a heterosexual wanted to act in a similar way, (e.g. sodomy) than that is no different.
Um. 😊

Yeah, I have same-sex attraction, as I’ve said, but anal sex is not appealing to me.

So I don’t think anal sex is the only sexual act of homosexuality, if that’s what you mean. I also imagine many lesbians don’t engage in anal sex. (I dunno). The Church allows oral sex as foreplay. And there certainly is nothing wrong with a married couple touching each other in pretty much any way imaginable.

Oh, but oral sex outside of marriage would be just as wrong for a straight couple as for a gay couple.

Sorry if I misunderstood you here, Josh.
 
I want to be closer to God. I am a lesbian who is in a committed relationship for 8 years now. We have a baby boy too. I don’t need the whole debate of is being gay a sin. I just need advice. Should I just stop being gay to get closer to Him? I mean I can properly stop the prshical side of it but the emotional aspect of not loving her as my spouse I don’t know. Then if we just stay friends how do I explain what type of relationship to our son? Should I just turn my back on the gay community? Than again what if God isn’t even asking me to sacrifice this and I am just causing myself anguish? Thanks
I’m Catholic now, but I used to be Presbyterian. Probably a good 25 years ago now, I heard a guest speaker from Sydney at the Presbyterian Church I was then attending.

To set the background, Sydney is to Australian homosexuals as San Francisco is to American. They have a (often offensive in some respects) Gay Mardi Gras every year for example.

There’s also a morals campaigner in Sydney, Rev. Fred Nile, who is also a member of the New South Wales upper house in parliament, akin to the Senate in Australian Federal politics or the House of Lords in the British parliament. He’s not liked by the homosexual community, and that’s an understatement.

According to the speaker’s own testimony, he had been a homosexual in Sydney, and involved in everything going. You name it, he was in it, including BDSM (I think). He said he and other homosexuals used to stand on street corners in Kings Cross (Sydney’s red light district) discussing how they’d kill Fred Nile.

At some stage though he tried to commit suicide, but obviously didn’t succeed. He then became a Christian, ironically through a Christian outfit with links to the same Fred Nile he’d so much despised before. By the time I heard him speak, they were on first name terms - Mr. Nile was now “Fred”.

However the bug was too much for him, and he fell back into the homosexual temptation, just like an alcoholic falling off the wagon.

In despair, and although a new Christian, he set himself up for a second suicide attempt. And this time he was really serious.

He said he was all set to go, and was just about to pull the plug for the last time, when he claimed that Christ materialised in the corner of the lounge room (where he was about to commit suicide), moved towards him, and somehow merged with him.

He said from that time on he never even had to struggle with homosexual temptation. He’d also married a Christian woman who accepted him as he was was, and with his past, and he had two young sons at the time if I remember rightly. They were also present when he was speaking, although I think the two boys were a bit young to understand what their father was saying at the time.

He was a young man then, but he’d be a middle aged former homosexual these days, assuming he is still going.

Now that was his testimony. I don’t have a problem with the claim that Christ materialised in the room, as my own father materialised in my bedroom the night he died, but with a less happy ending. For other people with no such experience under their belt, they might find it a bit hard to accept.

Yet there it was. So there’s clearly some spiritual component in the homosexual lifestyle.

As to why Christ doesn’t do this for every suicidal homosexual, or even everyone who wants to change, I don’t know. Most of us seem to be left to struggle with the same old temptations whether we’re Christian or not. And we usually have pet sins - I hardly have an impulse to gamble in my body. But carnal thoughts? Now that’s another kettle of fish!

I simply offer the story to you to get you to realise that there is a very real spiritual component to your lifestyle, and I wonder if you realise just how much.
 
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Josh:
When a parent tells his child not to drink washing detergent, do they do that because they want to pick on their kids? or is it because they know washing detergent isn’t supposed to be drunk?
Washing detergent will kill you, being gay will not. Drinking washing detergent is a choice, being gay is not. That having sex with other gays is a choice I do agree… But then again if it’s about gays we seem a lot fiercer then when it is about a couple that is not maried and has sex. Just my two thoughts.
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Josh:
? What do you mean here? you don’t understand why the Church teaches us that certain sexual acts are sinful?
What I am trying to say is, let’s say we where all celibate, and did not marry anyone so we would never have sex. Would there then be any catholics left? Yet celibacy is seen as something good. I am not saying that having sex whenever you want it is good. But still I feel there’s a middle way between the two.
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Josh:
Whoa, so many misconceptions, where do I begin?

What DebChris has said -
Been in a lot of gay topics, and I even seen catholics comming with they’re political views. Why they would be against gays. They even came up with arguments that has nothing to do with the church, now that is what I call being homophobic.
But I will rest my case.
 
Um. 😊

Yeah, I have same-sex attraction, as I’ve said, but anal sex is not appealing to me.

So I don’t think anal sex is the only sexual act of homosexuality, if that’s what you mean. I also imagine many lesbians don’t engage in anal sex. (I dunno). The Church allows oral sex as foreplay. And there certainly is nothing wrong with a married couple touching each other in pretty much any way imaginable.

Oh, but oral sex outside of marriage would be just as wrong for a straight couple as for a gay couple.

Sorry if I misunderstood you here, Josh.
It’s cool.

I’m just saying that sexual orientation is irrelevant, it’s the act that is relevant, thus it isn’t one rule for homosexuals and another for heterosexuals.

As far as I know the whole reason the Church is opposed to the sexual acts of homosexuality (and same sex marriage isn’t an option), is because it’s using the bodies organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for.

Thus being heterosexual or homosexual is simply an orientation, it’s the act that is sinful, regardless of orientation.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
It’s cool.

I’m just saying that sexual orientation is irrelevant, it’s the act that is relevant, thus it isn’t one rule for homosexuals and another for heterosexuals.

As far as I know the whole reason the Church is opposed to the sexual acts of homosexuality (and same sex marriage isn’t an option), is because it’s using the bodies organs in a manner in which they were not designed to be used for.

Thus being heterosexual or homosexual is simply an orientation, it’s the act that is sinful, regardless of orientation.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
Heterosexual couples can also do anal. There’s guys that want they’re wife’s to take them with a strapon while not being gay. But just having that certain fetish, what do we make of that?
 
Um. 😊

Yeah, I have same-sex attraction, as I’ve said, but anal sex is not appealing to me.

So I don’t think anal sex is the only sexual act of homosexuality, if that’s what you mean. I also imagine many lesbians don’t engage in anal sex. (I dunno). The Church allows oral sex as foreplay. And there certainly is nothing wrong with a married couple touching each other in pretty much any way imaginable.

Oh, but oral sex outside of marriage would be just as wrong for a straight couple as for a gay couple.

Sorry if I misunderstood you here, Josh.
My own reading of Josh’s post was not that explicit. Some people I know claim that they are bisexual, being tempted in both directions. That’s simply how I read the post. I think we can leave it at that. The main point that all have made is that whether we are talking about homosexual or heterosexual relationships, the conjugal act outside marriage is sinful.
Sexuality is sacred. It should be treated as such even between married couples who are called to treat each other with love and respect. How they communicate that love and respect is between the two of them and God and nobody else’s business.
 
Washing detergent will kill you, being gay will not.
Replace it with eating mud or sand if you like.
Drinking washing detergent is a choice, being gay is not. That having sex with other gays is a choice I do agree…
It should be - “enjoying to drink washing detergent is not a choice, just like being gay.”
But then again if it’s about gays we seem a lot fiercer then when it is about a couple that is not maried and has sex. Just my two thoughts.
If you have a couple come here and start telling us how pre-marital sex, fornication or promiscuity is not sinful and they don’t understand why the Church is picking on them or discriminating against them or denying them love, than I don’t see how it would go down any different.
What I am trying to say is, let’s say we where all celibate, and did not marry anyone so we would never have sex. Would there then be any catholics left? Yet celibacy is seen as something good. I am not saying that having sex whenever you want it is good. But still I feel there’s a middle way between the two.
Celibacy is seen as good because they devote their lives to God completely through it, not because they don’t have children.

Chastity is seen as a good thing for all of us and for very good reasons.
Matthew 19:1-12
Teaching about Divorce
19 When Jesus finished teaching, he left Galilee and went to the part of Judea that is east of the Jordan River. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed their sick people.
3 Some Pharisees wanted to test Jesus. They came up to him and asked, “Is it right for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 Jesus answered, “Don’t you know that in the beginning the Creator made a man and a woman? 5 That’s why a man leaves his father and mother and gets married. He becomes like one person with his wife. 6 Then they are no longer two people, but one. And no one should separate a couple that God has joined together.”
7 The Pharisees asked Jesus, “Why did Moses say that a man could write out divorce papers and send his wife away?”
8 Jesus replied, “You are so heartless! That’s why Moses allowed you to divorce your wife. But from the beginning God did not intend it to be that way. 9 I say that if your wife has not committed some terrible sexual sin,[a] you must not divorce her to marry someone else. If you do, you are unfaithful.”
10 The disciples said, “If that’s how it is between a man and a woman, it’s better not to get married.”
11 Jesus told them, “Only those people who have been given the gift of staying single can accept this teaching. 12 Some people are unable to marry because of birth defects or because of what someone has done to their bodies. Others stay single for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Anyone who can accept this teaching should do so.”
Been in a lot of gay topics, and I even seen catholics comming with they’re political views. Why they would be against gays. They even came up with arguments that has nothing to do with the church, now that is what I call being homophobic.
But I will rest my case.
I come up with arguments to oppose same sex marriage that don’t have anything to do with the Church and when I do that, it’s not because I’m being homophobic or because I want to pick on gays, it’s because I know that the sexual acts of homosexuality are sinful and I wouldn’t be loving my neighbour if I advocated sexual immorality for them or for anyone else for that matter.

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Yeah, sorry for getting carried away into mechanics.
Sexuality is sacred. It should be treated as such even between married couples who are called to treat each other with love and respect. How they communicate that love and respect is between the two of them and God and nobody else’s business.
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