Stormy Daniels spills all about her alleged affair with Donald Trump on '60 Minutes'

[Jeanne_S]

You can go through all of my posts prior and up to now re Trump! have never apologized or refuted that he has lived an immoral life .

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Women like this need to face scorn

I will pray for you. That you find true catholic charity.
And follow the example of Jesus. Who in His perfect human nature dined with the shunned and scorned of decent society in 30AD.
Because right now, by your standards, anyone not in a state of grace is to be shunned as an outcast and be put into a sinners colony on a remote location. That would include trump, and yourself. Speaking of another human life, one God created, in this way is highly offensive and leading others to harden their hearts towards sinners , shun and scorn and outcast them.

We are called to imitate Jesus, not a Pharisee

Mercy, not hate. For both sex workers and politicians

 

[Xystus]

We don’t know that she’s a tramp at present

Circumstantial evidence points to it being a distinct possibility. I heard on the radio this morning and phillymag.com is reporting that she will be “performing” at a Philadelphia “gentleman’s club” 3 days in November around election day.

I assume she will have a decent pay day for this which maybe is the whole reason for going public to begin with.

 

[exnihilo]

I will pray for you. That you find true catholic charity.

And follow the example of Jesus. Who in His perfect human nature dined with the shunned and scorned of decent society in 30AD.

Because right now, by your standards, anyone not in a state of grace is to be shunned as an outcast and be put into a sinners colony on a remote location. That would include trump, and yourself.

I never turn down prayers. Don’t forget to pray to all in our country and the world who are scandalized by a porn star/stripper who goes on TV giving details of an alleged extramarital affair. Particularly pray for the children and especially Trump’s child who doesn’t deserve to hear this. He is a truly innocent party.

I didn’t say anything about sinners colonies. But surely you can see how having this woman on network TV is at least not a good thing for public morals. Or maybe we are that far gone that it doesn’t bother us.

 

[exnihilo]

It is hardly ignoring it. The entire weight of the public revelation is on this porn star/stripper. There is the evil of doing an evil act. There is also the evil of publicly reveling in the evil act. She did both whereas Trump only did the first. It may surprise you but it actually is really a bad thing to publicly revel in adultery.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

He is a truly innocent party.

An adulterer and a man who works on an adult movie himself is hardly innocent.
He didn’t accidentally find himself in an adulterous tryst or as she puts it, string her along for months.

didn’t say anything about sinners colonies.

You didn’t need to. The words scorn and keep from decent society are enough…

But surely you can see how having this woman on network TV is at least not a good thing for public morals.

A president who is in damage control because he has been busted, and is trying every dirty trick to discredit this woman’s testimony is not a good thing for public morals.
Public morals require a yes, I did it, it was wrong. It was adultery.
Public morals require you do the crime, you do the time, you face the music.

Which commandment of the 10 tell us not to bear false witness or want our neighbours wife. Or lust. I seem to recall that famous in the bus talk later regulated to boys locker room talk.

Walk the walk and talk the talk and be a true catholic from the heart. Don’t pay Catholicism lip service. We are called to do the hard stuff, charity, inclusion, letting the light of God shine through us to all His creatures.

Or maybe we are that far gone that it doesn’t bother us

Welcome to the secular world. The world we are called to name a spade a spade.
And in this case the spade is on those lying

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Trump only did the first

You don’t think lying and bearing false witness is an evil act?

 

[exnihilo]

I think you are confused. It is good to conceal certain evil acts. It isn’t good to commit them. But exposing them is actually harmful.

An adulterer and a man who works on an adult movie Himself is hardly innocent.

He didn’t accidentally find himself in an adulterous tryst or as she puts it, string her along for months.

Nope. Nor has anyone said he has.

A president who is in damage control because he has been busted, and is trying every dirty trick to discredit this woman’s testimony is not a good thing for public morals.

Public morals require a yes, I did it, it was wrong. It was adultery.

Public morals require you do the crime, you do the time, you face the music.

Really? So every sin of yours needs to be publicly admitted to? I know you don’t actually believe that. Here you are getting on me and you apparently want to bring back the Order of Penitents.

You don’t think lying and bearing false witness is an evil act?

It would be. But how do you know Trump is doing that in regards to this? This porn star/stripper has officially denied having sex with Trump three times. She also claims to have signed and received money for a confidentiality agreement she claims to be in the act of breaking. She has to be lying whereas Trump only may be. His story hasn’t changed. But I see you can jump to the conclusion he is lying while maintaining the Catholic charity you find so lacking in me.

 

[exnihilo]

Or you could sit your children down and watch network television interview her discussing an adulterous affair. Given the choice I’d go for the latter. Not that I’m advocating either. But one is better than the other.

 

[exnihilo]

Trump’s admitted activities aren’t good. But I don’t think indiscreet prostitutes telling humiliating stories is good either. Using someone and then disparaging their reputation isn’t noble. And participating in gossip is as much a sin as any other.

 

[exnihilo]

Well you’ve decided that she is telling the truth when she has zero credibility. Why would you make the conclusion you have? I don’t rule it out that Trump did this. It isn’t inconsistent that he’d be unfaithful. It is inconsistent, being that he is a germaphobe, to do this with a porn performer. He denies it and this woman with zero credibility now says it is true. Given the facts there is no reason to believe her other than a lack of objectivity. Have you stared into Trump’s soul and now know the truth?

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Nope. Nor has anyone said he has.

That’s right. It was deliberate. He deliberately had sex with her. No accident there.

Really? So every sin of yours needs to be publicly admitted to?

If I was in trumps position right now, …
Geez would I add another public sin (lying and false witness) onto the one I was busted for. So my entire country can be ashamed at my lies , and my credit in trust greatly eroded?
See the thing is, if we want to live in the public spotlight, and we are not squeaky clean, we must be prepared to be honest about it when asked, if we are to expound on public moral values.

Order of Penitents.

So you think lying is ok? From your president. From your Catholic perspective.

She has to be lying whereas Trump only may be. His story hasn’t changed.

Why would His story change. It’s only going to change when he finds the courage to admit the truth.
Where there is smoke, there is fire.

watch network television interview her discussing an adulterous affair.

Trump doesn’t have an annulment. He is in an adulterous affair.
Walk the walk, talk the talk.
Call a spade a spade.

indiscreet prostitutes

That’s a fascinating comment.

Ever worked on the street with what you class as the scorned of society? Ever gone out and rolled your sleeves up to Minister to these people?
Prostitutes are people. And many are coerced or dragged into it. And the sex slave trade is alive and well. Why, because there is an economy of demand that requires supply in our fallen world.
What kind of a man pays for sex do you think?

 

[Roseeurekacross]

woman with zero credibility

Just because someone is a sex worker it does not follow that they have zero credibility.

 

[stinkcat_14]

What that St Barbara? I think that was the name, she was the prostitute who went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land because she thought it would be a good business opportunity, but then she repented. I love that story.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Ok, thanks. I will have to research her. I was totally wrong, I was talking about St Mary of Egypt.

 

[exnihilo]

So you think lying is ok? From your president. From your Catholic perspective.

This is getting tedious. Why would you think that? I’ve actually in this thread already confirmed to you I don’t think that, as if it needed confirmation.

Why would His story change. It’s only going to change when he finds the courage to admit the truth.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

All these lectures on judgment and here you are judging Trump as guilty.

What kind of a man pays for sex do you think?

I don’t know. You tell me.

Just because someone is a sex worker it does not follow that they have zero credibility.

Nope, but it sure doesn’t help. In this case she has no credibility because one way or the other she has lied. Also, she claims to be violating a contract. She is fundamentally dishonest. And her public revelation serves no useful purpose so she is engaged in detraction.

Something someone wants discretion over. I don’t know what that is. Do you? How do you know it? Certainly not from the lips of a liar and contract breaker.

Ah, so the old sins of the father. And here I thought all this chastising of me for harsh, Old Testament judgment was genuine. You’d have sons pay for their father’s sins.

 

[anikins]

Just catching up on this story from over the weekend. I really did not need to know about Donald Trump getting spanked.

 

[exnihilo]

So Trump is bad because his grandfather owned some brothels and his father was a landlord. And the Kennedy family, which involved smuggling, organized crime, and several killings is a tad better. I don’t see the point in any of this. Judge the individual on his own merits. And none of it relates to the lies of the porn star/stripper.

 

[exnihilo]

You can’t. That is the problem with liars. You explain why she three times publicly denied any sexual activity and now says otherwise. You explain why we should trust a person who took money to remain silent and yet by her own admission violates that agreement.

 

[exnihilo]

I don’t know. But it is salacious to want to know if you are buying the porn star/strippers latest story. She sells sex. Her sex stories aren’t any better morally than the literal sex she sells.