Story of Noah: Who believes it to be real?

[peary]

I think its up to us to in regards to the present environmental disaster that we’ve created.

It’s a given that the human race falls below expectation when it comes to stewardship of the earth. We are nothing without the Lord.

 

[onetimeposter]

It’s a given that the human race falls below expectation when it comes to stewardship of the earth. We are nothing without the Lord.

Christians, Jews, Atheists, Hindus, Muslims, etc…we all take part in the destruction of the earth, with or without faith, we still do it.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

There is absolutely no evidence of a global flood. I understand it’s possible for such a magnificent event to happen – anything is possible under God’s wing. But don’t you think there would be titanic traces for a titanic flood? Yet nothing is found.

The story makes more sense if it’s seen from a didactic point of view.

Just about every culture has a story of a maganimous flood of this type in their legends or myths. This, to me, proves in a very substantial way, that the flood did indeed happen the way it was written in the Bible. And it fits in also with the story of the destruction of the Tower of Babel when God scattered mankind all over the earth, giving them different languages.

Also, geologically, there has been evidence of a catostrophic flood of this dimension. And how do you explain the fossils of whales high up on the cliffs of the seacoast of Northeastern United States. The media doesn’t advertise it.

God bless you,
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Does the Church believe that only Noah and his family were present on the Earth at a particular point in history and that the human race was re-populated from them?

Firstly, I should ask what is the likelyhood that Noah as portrayed in the bible even existed?!!!

Yes, that is what the Roman Catholic Church believes. If it had been just a story, God could/would have very easily said so in the Bible, which I believe to be written ONLY by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit…from its beginning to its end.

We are NOT a people, and it is by God’s design that we are what we are, that believes in mythology. There is no Christian mythology.

God bless you.
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Perhaps there should be another category:

That it is written in symbolic language. Then, the symbols need to be interpreted to the literal sense.

REASON for the possible addition:
Our Faith clearly teaches that the early chapters of Genesis uses symbolic language. All figures and symbols have a literal meaning, but are not literal.

If this is written in symbolic language, then it is not literal. But the literal will be seen once the symbols are interpreted.

Please don’t laught: Do I make sense? I really mean the question. I find this to be extremely proplexing.

Thanks for listening.

Where in the Holy See or the Catechism…the true Catechism, does it explain away the early chapters of Genesis in such a way. I know that the New American Bible translations are calling them legends, but I want the proof from the Holy See.

I believe that there is a destructive force of people who are trying to convince the faithful that some Bible stories are legends. I believe that they will one day make the same claim about the Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus. If they can convince us that other things in the Bible are false, then it won’t be a far cry for them to try to convince us the same things about Jesus. If they can discredit the Bible, then they are discrediting the very existance and divinity of Jesus Christ.

I don’t believe that a majority of Catholics believe as I do, and I understand their opinion. Many of our lives are so centered on Jesus, that it is impossible for us to imagine us believing such a thing. But 30-45 years ago, it was impossible for the vast majority of us to believe that the stories that they claim are legends. Yet, here we are, 30-45 years later, and it is widely accepted. So how can we claim that in the next 100 years, it won’t turn to calling Christ just a legend?

Does that make any sense…think about it.

God bless you,
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Well, our Lord Jesus sure believed it, as is amply affirmed by scripture. Also Peter. That’s good enough for me. It was a miraculous event, and I believe in miracles…

Please, for my benefit, tell me where you found it in the New Testament. I wish to have my facts straight if I am to appeal to others.

Thank you,
God bless you and yours and your intentions,
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

2Peter 3-7 says if you don’t believe it you are a scoffer. The first Pope does not speak well of those who would not believe that water covered the whole earth. Listen to the Pope.

Amen. Alleluia.
God bless you for your faith.
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

No, I believe it was St. Paul, “Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church”. Goodluck making good on that right, but it is their right non the less.

GOD BLESS YOU AGAIN

Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

To say that it would be impossible to fit every species in a small area would mean that you do not believe that species can adapt and change over time and due to changes in the environment. These types of changes have been well documented and are very scientific. I would say that most of the scientific community believes in the ability of a species to adapt and change.

As for a Global flood the fossil record is a nice indication that many animals were buried alive. It’s a good record that is all over the world. Again much of the scientific community today believe in the “fossil record” and so do I. It recorded the flood.

Steve, I could just laugh for joy with your words. Thank you so much.
Cherie

and yes, I realize I am being redundant, but your words deserve to be acknowledged.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I have some questions.

Do you believe that God created the world? If so, do you believe that He created it as He chose? And if so, does He have the ability to do with His creation as He sees fit?

So, for all of the people out there who believe that according to science, in the world of human understanding, it couldn’t have happened as the Bible portrays, I don’t understand your reasoning.

You are basing your reasons according to HUMAN reasoning. You are not giving God the credit for being able to do with His creation as He sees fit.

I have read that, in order for God to accomplish the things that were indeed accomplished, He made the animals that He chose to, go to where Noah was building the ark, and at the appropriate time. And they were peaceful because that is how God made them to be at that appointed time.
And, at the appointed time, God closed the door of the ark.

Now, even though humans lack scientific reasoning to explain it, it is what God’s Divine Word says happened. And God can do what He wants with His creation…whether science can reason or explain it or not.

Science cannot explain the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, but that is totally irrelevant. Jesus did, indeed rise from the dead…whether anyone believes or accepts it or not. And if you are Christian…not to mention Catholic Christian…you are bound and obligated to believe it.

And it is only believable because of Faith, through the Power of the Holy Spirit.

May Jesus bless you all with His faith and Wisdom.
Cherie

 

[Neil_Anthony]

I have some questions.

Do you believe that God created the world? If so, do you believe that He created it as He chose? And if so, does He have the ability to do with His creation as He sees fit?

So, for all of the people out there who believe that according to science, in the world of human understanding, it couldn’t have happened as the Bible portrays, I don’t understand your reasoning.

Of course we believe that God created the world and that God can do anything He wants.

But the Noah’s Ark story isn’t given to us as a history, it’s given as a STORY with a religious message.

Sure, God could squeeze all the animals on earth into an ark or a shoe box if He wanted to for 40 days or 40 years or however long He wanted to then repopulate the earth with them. I don’t think God did that though.

 

[Abbadon]

Jesus N Cherie - You quoted Steve 40 and i would like to say on that…

You are so wrong, so many times oohhh so wrong.

Why do you think the scientific and historical community don’t share the same view point?

Mountains of evidence from many different areas suggesting otherwise…

Look if your serious and you have evidence to support it, me and the scientific community will check your facts across peer review. Once confirmed, if you are indeed correct, you will have re-written many pages in paleontology, the way we look at rock formations will never be the same. All our timelines and records of prehestoric animals will be altered. I have no doubt in my mind if you can support your claims with actual evidence you will win a Nobel. In fact I think if your right and we find bunny rabbits with Stegosaurus’ we’ll have to throw out the evolutionary model all together, you will bring about a new age in science if you prove

Winners of Nobels recieve i htink it over a million euros correct me if i’m wrong. Dude do it prove a global flood that killed everything except for all of 2 animals on a boat that maanged to redisperse all of them in the required locations. To lands that have been utterly devestaed by huge amounts of water to rebreed eating errrr slosh from all the dead plants without creating a genetic pool of slush… God I just have a grade 10 biology understanding (for now) and i realise how you will never win a nobel and no one in the scientific community will take you seriously…

THANKYOU OCCUM AND YOUR RAZOR…

 

[Abbadon]

I have some questions.
So, for all of the people out there who believe that according to science, in the world of human understanding, it couldn’t have happened as the Bible portrays, I don’t understand your reasoning.

Okay I’m going to sound like a jackass when I say this, so I will add that my mother did not finish past year 10 in a 3rd world country. BUT she is an incredibly bright woman who despite being religious i still call intelligent and wise.

So Cherie did you finish high school, did you pay attention in science class and how were your grades in science and math?

 

[Brian_Millar]

Something to contemplate before questioning the logistix behind how Noah cared for the animals in the ark. If you recall when the Jews were wandering through the desert, how God fed them with manna from heaven and gave them water as well. He overcomes obsticals, it’s part of being obnipitant. Sometimes he fills us in on the how element, I feel he does in those cases as a reminder that his ways are not our ways, and that what we are limited to, he has none, he literally can change the laws of physics at any moment for any reason, we simply cannot, nor can we think outside of the scope of mortal concepts when it comes to these matters. This is where we simply must have faith and trust in his abilities.

 

[peary]

Jesus N Cherie - You quoted Steve 40 and i would like to say on that…

You are so wrong, so many times oohhh so wrong.

Why do you think the scientific and historical community don’t share the same view point?

Mountains of evidence from many different areas suggesting otherwise…

Look if your serious and you have evidence to support it, me and the scientific community will check your facts across peer review. Once confirmed, if you are indeed correct, you will have re-written many pages in paleontology, the way we look at rock formations will never be the same. All our timelines and records of prehestoric animals will be altered. I have no doubt in my mind if you can support your claims with actual evidence you will win a Nobel. In fact I think if your right and we find bunny rabbits with Stegosaurus’ we’ll have to throw out the evolutionary model all together, you will bring about a new age in science if you prove

Winners of Nobels recieve i htink it over a million euros correct me if i’m wrong. Dude do it prove a global flood that killed everything except for all of 2 animals on a boat that maanged to redisperse all of them in the required locations. To lands that have been utterly devestaed by huge amounts of water to rebreed eating errrr slosh from all the dead plants without creating a genetic pool of slush… God I just have a grade 10 biology understanding (for now) and i realise how you will never win a nobel and no one in the scientific community will take you seriously…

THANKYOU OCCUM AND YOUR RAZOR…

**There wasn’t a global ‘flood’ per se…but there were many catastrophic floods and deluges from which the story of Noah could have originated. For example:

The Black Sea Flood (about 5592 BC)
The Caspian/Black Sea Flood (about 13,992 BC)
Tigris/Euphrates Flood and Refilling of the Persian Gulf (about 10,000 BC - and probably the origin of the Noah legend which was first recorded by the Sumerians)
Great Sunda Wetlands Flood, Indonesia (around 10,000 BC)
Carpentaria Plain (12,000-10,000 BC)
Aegean Basin Flood (about 6000 BC)
Doggerland & English Channel Flood (12,000-10,000 BC)
Glacial Lakes Flood, North America (8500 BC)
Mediterranean Refill (12,000-10,000 BC)

Most of these huge deluges (with a significant amount of water) took place between 14,000-6000 BC. That was to be expected since it was the end of the last Ice Age and the last remnants of the great glaciers were melting and retreating. But there wasn’t a ‘global flood’ which wiped out the entire life cycle of the earth. These floods, although vast and regional, did not engulf the entire earth at any time.

Creationists have to ponder the question, “What constituted the ‘world’ in ancient biblical days?” The Bible is not a science book and cannot be used as such. What it does is present an ancient cosmology of what early humans (in this regard, the Hebrews) believed about their world, the universe, their connection to it, and who they were. They believed that the ‘world’ was a flat disc that covered the expanse of the “then known” world, comprised of heavenly and earthly vaults. They did not believe that the earth was an orb, and had no knowledge of the large oceans or other continents; they only knew what was contained surrounding the Mediterranean area and other Middle eastern lands. This is where the tribal stories originated.

Was there a man named Noah? Did he have a large sailing vessel? Did he attempt to save all of his lifestock? We know that Sumeria also had what can only be called the equivolent of our zoos. Perhaps Noah was a rich landowner who had a vast menagerie at his disposal. I would say that the story of Noah and the Ark is based on an actual and quite probable scenario that goes back thousands of years in oral history.

What the story signifies (to me, anyway) is that Noah was chosen by God as a prophet to His people, and, through him, warned that a great devastation was about to take place. Noah placed his trust in God’s word to him; thus, he was saved.

Do I believe Noah existed? You bet, but in the context as I stated above and with what we know of prehistorical floods. **

 

[Brian_Millar]

Creation Evidence - The Great Debate of Origins
Creation Evidence is sought by Creationists to discredit Evolution, not to validate Special Creation…

It is agreed on all sides that there are only two possible solutions to the riddle of origins. Either Someone made the world, or the world made itself. A third option, the world is eternal and without origin, contradicts Natural Laws such as Thermodynamics and has been disproved with mathematical certainty in the 20th century. As the universe is obviously complex and seemingly well-designed, a Designer should be the scientific default. In everything we observe today, concept and design are the result of a Mind. Furthermore, Natural Laws such as Gravity, Inverse Squares, Cause and Effect, and Thermodynamics imply a Law-giver.

Unless a natural mechanism constrained by Natural Law, by which the entire universe could come into existence and further develop through random process, is found, a Creator must be the theoretical default. It doesn’t matter whether an individual scientist has difficulty accepting it or not. As Sir Arthur Conan Doyle so eloquently stated in his Sherlock Holmes series, “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

Creation Evidence - A Few Brief Examples:

* Lack of Transitional Fossils. Charles Darwin wrote, "Lastly, looking not to any one time, but to all time, if my theory be true, numberless intermediate varieties, linking closely together all the species of the same group, must assuredly have existed. But, as by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth?" (Origin of Species, 1859). Since Darwin put forth his theory, scientists have sought fossil evidence indicating past organic transitions. Nearly 150 years later, there has been no evidence of transition found thus far in the fossil record.
* Lack of a Natural Mechanism. Charles Darwin, in his Origin of Species, proposed Natural Selection to be the mechanism by which an original simple-celled organism could have evolved gradually into all species observed today, both plant and animal. Darwin defines evolution as "descent with modification." However, Natural Selection is known to be a conservative process, not a means of developing complexity from simplicity. Later, with our increased understanding of genetics, it was thought perhaps Natural Selection in conjunction with genetic mutation allowed for the development of all species from a common ancestor. However, this is theoretical and controversial, since "beneficial" mutations have yet to be observed. In fact, scientists have only observed harmful, "downward" mutations thus far.
* Time Constraints. Both Creationists and Evolutionists agree that if evolution is at all possible, there needs to be an excessive (if not infinite) amount of time. For much of the 20th century, it was thought evolutionists had all the time they needed. If the earth ever looked too young for certain evolutionary developments to have occurred, the age was pushed back in the textbooks. In 1905, the earth was declared to be two billion years old. By 1970, the earth was determined to be 3.5 billion years old, and by the 1990's, the earth had become 4.6 billion years old. However, Young Earth advocates have identified quite a few Young Earth chronometers in recent years. Currently, there are approximately five times more natural chronometers indicating a "Young Earth" than an "Old Earth." Each discovery is a separate "Limiting Factor" that places a constraint on the possible age of the earth. For example, moon drift, earth rotation speed, magnetic field decay, erosion rates, chemical influx into the oceans, ocean salinity, etc, all constrain the possible age of the earth. Each Limiting Factor is distinct. If one were successfully challenged, there is still the problem of all the rest. Furthermore, there are Limiting Factors constraining the possible age of the universe, such as spiral galaxies where they're maintaining their spiral shapes despite their centers spinning faster than their extremities.
* Unacceptable Model of Origins. The Big Bang Theory is the accepted source of Origins among the majority of Evolutionists, and is taught in our public schools. However, the Big Bang does not explain many things, including the uneven distribution of matter that results in "voids" and "clumps," or the retrograde motion that must violate the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. Furthermore, the Big Bang does not address the primary question at hand, "where did everything come from?" Did nothing explode? How did this explosion cause order, while every explosion observed in recorded history causes disorder and disarray?

allaboutcreation.org/Creation-Evidence.htm

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Exactly what literary genre is the resurrection of Jesus?

How much consensus is there among the literary genre lovers as to which events in the bible actually happened and which are literary genres?

And it is a false dichotomy to say that interest in Any of the details of the Bible is a bad thing and that the Only thing that is important is the moral thrust of what the Bible is trying to convey.

To be really sophisticated is to appreciate both–we as Catholics should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time–if God can certainly perform such a small feat–shouldn’t our minds be big enough to contemplate more than one truth at once?

And for all the Jonah and the whale naysayers–is Jonah being in a whale harder to believe than the Resurrection of Jesus or Peter praying and the dead Tabitha coming back to life or are those events just Literary genres, too?

Almost perfect. Let me just add that, it is not that we only get the “Moral teaching or lesson” from the stories in the Bible. It is important that we accept as Truth everything written in the Bible. One day, in the not to distant future, some “wise???” people are going to come along and start preaching that the Resurrection of Christ is not what is important, but the moral lessons from the story. And that, it is just too farfectched to believe that He is truly God, and that He rose from the dead. AND THAT WILL BE A SACRILEDGE !!!
And many will accept it, because if we can accept that the importance of the rest of the Bible Story is only the moral teachings…we are proven to be no different or better than the Greek, Roman, Mayan, American Native, Norse mythology believers…only with our own mythology.

It is important that we believe that the Bible is actual historic events…even those that predate written language. Even those that our human minds and intellects have a hard time accepting because we cannot prove it scientifically.
The end result, even if it takes a few generations, will be total denial of the Truths of Jesus Christ if we do not accept what is written in the Bible as the truth.

God bless you all,
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I’m not serious I’m just making a point.

God can do anything, so any “ridiculous” claim is possible.

Or are you telling me that god couldn’t do that if he wanted?

How did Noahs Ark really 100% as the bible says happen?

The answer my friends is simple… Magic…

MAGIC? Did I read you correctly? Did you write MAGIC?

Please, oh please, Abbadon, don’t decieve yourself so!!!

The only ones who use magic are the ones who have ***no power ***to accomplish what they wish to.

GOD is All Powerful !!! He created, and He does…through His Almighty Power…anything He choses to do. Miracles and healing are not magic. They are the Power of God.

May the Wisdom of Jesus Christ, given through the Power of His Holy Spirit, grow withing you.

Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

I’m not saying God couldn’t do it, but I’m saying God wouldn’t do it. With that aside for a second, think about what I said about the perspective of those in Biblical times. Throughout the Bible, ignorance of nature is shown; so rather than trying to comprehend some elaborate plan of God’s in order to protect the historical integrity of the story, think about why the story was written. What is/was it’s purpose?..then?..and now?

Is it that important for the story to be historically accurate? No. Jesus told parables. Did the stories really take place? No. But He got the message accross.

I’m not saying the story of Noah is based on nothing. I am merely saying it is a myth (this does not mean fairytale)…it means something based on a bit of truth, but highly fabricated. There may have been a flood, but its description in the Bible is blown out of proportion (because of ignorance of the world at those times) and is the writers attempt at making sense of it. He or she must be trying to explain why bad things happen. His or her explanation is that bad things happen as punishments for trespasses against God.

He or she associates natural disaster with punishment (due to ignorance). We know today that God does not punish us with natural disasters.

How do you know what God “would” or “wouldn’t do”?
It makes no sense that He came down from Heaven to live in poverty until we killed Him. After all, He is God. He didn’t have to do that…He chose to do it. John 3:16.

Simple question: Do you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God? Why would God lie? He is incapable of it, as He is perfect. He can neither decieve or be decieved.

It was prophesied in the Old Testament that the Saviour of the World would teach in parables. That was one of the ways or signs that would help the Jews to recognize Him when He came.

God bless you all,
Cherie

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

The Church is ever changing on its stances on various issues. Years ago, the Church condemned Galileo for his “heretic” claims of the earth revolving around the sun. Nowadays, the Church fully accepts his claim. The same thing goes with homosexuality…now the U.S. Catholic Bishops Council acknowledges a possible genetic predisposition for sexual orientation, and in turn justifies homosexuality (however, it frowns upon sex outside of wedlock…and since gays can’t get married…homosexual sex is condemned). So the authority figure is not always right…after all, we are all humans and are all fallible.

What does it mean to be a Christian? Does it mean that you must go to Church on Sundays? Does it mean that you must follow religious customs of Christian churches? I don’t think so. I think the title “Christian” can be extended to all those who strive to live their lives in a Christ-like manner. Yes, those who are of the Christian faith are recognized as “Christians,” but I’d go so far as to say that one must not be of the Christian faith and does not even have to realize that they exhibit Christ-like behavior in order to fulfill the basic requirements for being a Christian.

I think God bases His judgement on our intentions. He does not want us to be mindless drones. To be so would be an insult to His creating us and giving us logical minds. He couldn’t curse us for searching for the truth and not just taking things at face value…if one believes only because mommy and daddy say that he or she must believe, does he or she truly believe? If God sees that we intend to seek the answer and that we are doing our best to serve Him and discover His true will, He will be happy. We as humans, regardless of creed, must do our best to serve Him (or whatever concept of god that we may hold) to the best of our abilities and mean well by it. If you mean well in what you do, can He blame you?

That sir, with all due respect, is heretical, blasphemy and sacriledge. One CANNOT be a Christian without believing in the words of Jesus Christ which states that HE is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. No one can come to the Father except through me. Without believing in Salvation through Him. And if anyone rejects Him, as you seem to be doing by your words of heresy, they will indeed be held responsible for their decision.

I will pray that you come to the TRUTH of Jesus Christ. And, sir, I recommend you turn back to Rome for your beliefs of Salvation. America is turned backward.

God bless you all,
Cherie