Story of Noah: Who believes it to be real?

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He or she associates natural disaster with punishment (due to ignorance). We know today that God does not punish us with natural disasters.

**WOW! What Bible do YOU read? :eek: **
 
Originally Posted by vrlobo88

He or she associates natural disaster with punishment (due to ignorance). We know today that God does not punish us with natural disasters. end quote

According to all of the Marian apparitions, God does EXACTLY that. And what do you call the storms and earthquakes that occurred at the death of Jesus, Who is God? Those too were natural disasters. Man, what Faith do you belong to? Most natural disasters are God’s way of getting our attention. Of proving to us that we need to turn back to Him, and away from our sinful ways. It is His love for us, His mercy, to call us back to Him.
Please turn to Him.
Cherie
 
Of course we believe that God created the world and that God can do anything He wants.

But the Noah’s Ark story isn’t given to us as a history, it’s given as a STORY with a religious message.

Sure, God could squeeze all the animals on earth into an ark or a shoe box if He wanted to for 40 days or 40 years or however long He wanted to then repopulate the earth with them. I don’t think God did that though.
Where in the Bible does it say…in a True translation…that Noah’s Ark wasn’t given to us as history, but only as a nice story with a moral?
Cherie
 
Jesus N Cherie - You quoted Steve 40 and i would like to say on that…

You are so wrong, so many times oohhh so wrong.

Why do you think the scientific and historical community don’t share the same view point?

Mountains of evidence from many different areas suggesting otherwise…

Look if your serious and you have evidence to support it, me and the scientific community will check your facts across peer review. Once confirmed, if you are indeed correct, you will have re-written many pages in paleontology, the way we look at rock formations will never be the same. All our timelines and records of prehestoric animals will be altered. I have no doubt in my mind if you can support your claims with actual evidence you will win a Nobel. In fact I think if your right and we find bunny rabbits with Stegosaurus’ we’ll have to throw out the evolutionary model all together, you will bring about a new age in science if you prove

Winners of Nobels recieve i htink it over a million euros correct me if i’m wrong. Dude do it prove a global flood that killed everything except for all of 2 animals on a boat that maanged to redisperse all of them in the required locations. To lands that have been utterly devestaed by huge amounts of water to rebreed eating errrr slosh from all the dead plants without creating a genetic pool of slush… God I just have a grade 10 biology understanding (for now) and i realise how you will never win a nobel and no one in the scientific community will take you seriously…

THANKYOU OCCUM AND YOUR RAZOR…
When are you going to understand the real point here. You all are doing your best to discredit God and what He chooses for His own purposes to do with His creation. I am a true Catholic Christian. The Bible was written, and oral tradition handed down from Creation to July 12, 2008. I believe the Word of God. Why do you, with all of your human arrogance and pride, believe that God didn’t or couldn’t have done something just because He didn’t check with you to make sure that you would understand it all? That is indeed how you all sound, and what you are indeed saying…hopefully without trying to rebell against Him…but just the same, that is what you are doing.
And no offense, Abaddon, but you don’t seem to be Catholic or Christian…am I wrong? So why would anyone think that you would believe the Truth, unless you are seeking the Truth through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? I am not trying to offend, just speaking the truth.
I hope you do come to seek THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life, which will only be found in Jesus Christ.
Cherie
 
Okay I’m going to sound like a jackass when I say this, so I will add that my mother did not finish past year 10 in a 3rd world country. BUT she is an incredibly bright woman who despite being religious i still call intelligent and wise.

So Cherie did you finish high school, did you pay attention in science class and how were your grades in science and math?
What does that have to do with my question? God doesn’t have to work in the realm of human understanding!
Understand!!! HE IS GOD, THE ONLY GOD !!!
 
Something to contemplate before questioning the logistix behind how Noah cared for the animals in the ark. If you recall when the Jews were wandering through the desert, how God fed them with manna from heaven and gave them water as well. He overcomes obsticals, it’s part of being obnipitant. Sometimes he fills us in on the how element, I feel he does in those cases as a reminder that his ways are not our ways, and that what we are limited to, he has none, he literally can change the laws of physics at any moment for any reason, we simply cannot, nor can we think outside of the scope of mortal concepts when it comes to these matters. This is where we simply must have faith and trust in his abilities.
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Cherie
 
MAGIC? Did I read you correctly? Did you write MAGIC?

Please, oh please, Abbadon, don’t decieve yourself so!!!

The only ones who use magic are the ones who have ***no power ***to accomplish what they wish to.

GOD is All Powerful !!! He created, and He does…through His Almighty Power…anything He choses to do. Miracles and healing are not magic. They are the Power of God.

May the Wisdom of Jesus Christ, given through the Power of His Holy Spirit, grow withing you.

Cherie
Cherie, on Abaddon’s behalf, he said the same thing as I, be it in a more amusing manner. I honestly don’t think he meant the term magic, as in the manner deviant natured human beings practice it with. Having been exposed to those real types of elements in the past, there is a good reason God forbids us from going that route, ie. magic, witchcraft, psycics, etc., and a big part of it is because those that practice it are messing with the order of things as he has set forth, kind of like these people are throwing wrenches into his works. There are more reasons he’s against it of course, that I don’t need to get into here for it’s too off topic.

Abaddon, am I correct with my perception on your intentions here?
 
Where in the Bible does it say…in a True translation…that Noah’s Ark wasn’t given to us as history, but only as a nice story with a moral?
Cherie
Where does the bible say that Noah’s Ark was given as a history?
 
Where does the bible say that Noah’s Ark was given as a history?
The entire rest of the Bible stories are all history, where does it say that any one of them are not? It is the History of God’s people, from Creation to Revelation.

That is the way the Church believes it, and the way that God created it.

Cherie
 
The entire rest of the Bible stories are all history, where does it say that any one of them are not? It is the History of God’s people, from Creation to Revelation.

That is the way the Church believes it, and the way that God created it.

Cherie
So you couldn’t find anything that says its history?
 
Cherie, on Abaddon’s behalf, he said the same thing as I, be it in a more amusing manner. I honestly don’t think he meant the term magic, as in the manner deviant natured human beings practice it with. Having been exposed to those real types of elements in the past, there is a good reason God forbids us from going that route, ie. magic, witchcraft, psycics, etc., and a big part of it is because those that practice it are messing with the order of things as he has set forth, kind of like these people are throwing wrenches into his works. There are more reasons he’s against it of course, that I don’t need to get into here for it’s too off topic.

Abaddon, am I correct with my perception on your intentions here?
Christ did not tell us not to fool with magic because it messed with the order of things as he has set forth, he FORBIDS us from “messing” with it because it is of the EVIL ONE. It is a false power calling forth SATAN for the purposes of power or knowledge. Those things are reserved for GOD…THE HOLY TRINITY…THE ETERNAL FATHER, JESUS THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. It is not because He doesn’t want to compete with Satan…though He is a jealous God…but because He knows Satan…and that he is a lier…the father of all lies and deception. God forbids it in order to protect us from falling for the lies and the possession of Satan and his legion of demons. And those who delve into those powers come under the dominion of Satan.
It is not good to water down the meaning of God’s commands and words. Those that do are cheating themselves out of the fullness of His life and love for them.

May we all desire the TRUTH of Jesus Christ, with all of It’s wisdom, and true knowledge. May we all call upon the Holy Spirit to give us all the Truth of Christ Jesus. And may we all turn to His Holy Roman Catholic Church for all of our answers. Amen

Cherie:)
 
Cherrie, again, I did not want to get into it for the other reasons, I wanted to educate you as to what happens when the natural order is fooled around with, just as Satan has caused within it so much strife and hardship for mankind. Most do not understand this at all including and especially those that delve into going towards that area.

There is a book out called the Secret, it works along the same lines as this, where people are trying to force things to happen against the natural order of things. It may appear innocent enough, but it is the modern version of magic and I’ve seen countless people get sucked into thinking it’s the way to go, when in fact, they have no idea what and whom they are messing with.

I’m not telling you I dissagree with your perspective of it at all, I’m simply elaborating on it, hopefully giving you an education about it in the process and to understand, there is more logic to God wanting us to never mess with it then you understood before.

Along power, we as man have been given natural gifts that have not been tapped into, or at least have long since been forgotten. Jesus mentions this when he discusses our lack of faith, you can also take into perspective how we even have more access to his power directly simply by relying upon him to provide for us, to help us, and in cases where necessary, to directly intervene for us. The real power of God has always dwarfed any that is out there, yet at the same time, this too is part of the reason it is said that man was made in God’s image.

To expand here, there has been a strong theory as to what triggered world war 2, that what led up to it beginning, there was alot of psycic/witchcraft elements going on with people casting spells against each other. It became so rampant, the results kicked off the war and it’s horrific atrocities. Again, it’s something most people don’t know, it was kind of buried and I only recall hearing about it once, many, many years ago, luckily I have a good memory.
 
So you couldn’t find anything that says its history?
I believe every word in the Bible. The fact that St. Peter refers to it as an historical action done by God, reiterates my belief that it is, in truth, an historical event…as it is written in the Bible.

Also, in the Marian apparitions, it is referred to in Her words stating that the world is becoming more evil now…or as evil…as the world hasn’t been in all of history since the time of the Great Deluge. She refers to Noah and the flood as historical events.

I believe that the Mother of my Savior is privy to the truth of the story of Noah.

So, if you really need to try to use the arguments…“the Bible doesn’t state that it was an historical event” to disbelieve it…then you also have no reason to believe anything else that the Bible says. For very few things in the Bible state that they are historical events. It is just understood as being accurate because it is in the Bible. There are many things that were not included in the Bible…only that which was inspired by the Holy Spirit to be included in the History of God’s Creation and on through the Salvation of God’s chosen people and the whole world accomplished by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

What would have been the purpose to keep a “mythological legend of another religion”, especially when God has always demanded that we not follow anything of any other religion, in the History of God’s chosen people? For the Bible is indeed a book of history. There were other stories telling us to obey God. And the story of Noah and the flood doesn’t go very much at all into what those people were doing that was so evil. And God hadn’t, up to the point of Moses and the Ten Commandments, told us what we had to do to obey Him. So, except for the historical accuracy, there is no reason for the story to have been included in the Bible if it were not true and an accurate telling of a true historic event.
May God bless you with His Truth.
Cherie
 
I believe every word in the Bible. The fact that St. Peter refers to it as an historical action done by God, reiterates my belief that it is, in truth, an historical event…as it is written in the Bible.
The thing is you don’t.

Are you telling me that 100% of what the bible says is 100% true and we should follow it 100%?
 
Cherrie, again, I did not want to get into it for the other reasons, I wanted to educate you as to what happens when the natural order is fooled around with, just as Satan has caused within it so much strife and hardship for mankind. Most do not understand this at all including and especially those that delve into going towards that area.

There is a book out called the Secret, it works along the same lines as this, where people are trying to force things to happen against the natural order of things. It may appear innocent enough, but it is the modern version of magic and I’ve seen countless people get sucked into thinking it’s the way to go, when in fact, they have no idea what and whom they are messing with.

I’m not telling you I dissagree with your perspective of it at all, I’m simply elaborating on it, hopefully giving you an education about it in the process and to understand, there is more logic to God wanting us to never mess with it then you understood before.

Along power, we as man have been given natural gifts that have not been tapped into, or at least have long since been forgotten. Jesus mentions this when he discusses our lack of faith, you can also take into perspective how we even have more access to his power directly simply by relying upon him to provide for us, to help us, and in cases where necessary, to directly intervene for us. The real power of God has always dwarfed any that is out there, yet at the same time, this too is part of the reason it is said that man was made in God’s image.

To expand here, there has been a strong theory as to what triggered world war 2, that what led up to it beginning, there was alot of psycic/witchcraft elements going on with people casting spells against each other. It became so rampant, the results kicked off the war and it’s horrific atrocities. Again, it’s something most people don’t know, it was kind of buried and I only recall hearing about it once, many, many years ago, luckily I have a good memory.
Thank you, Brian. I wish you knew where the information on WWII came from. I believe what you said.
And just for the record, I am not sure whether God does anything other than remove His Hands, which are always protecting us, when Natural or man made disaster happen. How long will the world continue to kick Him out of our lives before He decides, “Okay, this is what you want, now live with the consequences of life without My perpetual protection.”

I do not, however, believe that it is what God did in the Flood. I believe He created the flood, just like, at the end of the world, I believe He will cause the fire that will destroy the earth. God bless you,
cherie
 
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