Story: "Prominent clergy are duking it out on social media over Joe Biden calling himself Catholic."

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Freddy said:
Tobin’s comments appear to be political rather than faith based. As an outsider, Biden appears to be an honourable man (with faults). Trump? The polar opposite.
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There is public information that VP Biden has at least twice publicly been refused Communion and/or told to not present himself for Communion. He has recently said he will reverse the issue (which Trump reversed Obama’s decision) and require the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide for abortions in their insurance. He is clearly pro abortion, and that is just for starters.

You can say Trump is not honorable; All I will say is that I do not like him in the least personally, However he has done more for pro life than just about any President before him.

We need to remember that it was Cyrus, the pagan, who freed the Jews from captivity in Babylon and allowed them to return to the Promised Land.

God writes straight with crooked lines.

And Biden is not going to be the next President; he is simply a placeholder for the VP, so this election is not about Biden’ it is about Harris. And if you care to do any research, she has been hell on wheels for the Catholic Church, including a minor incident where she declared that someone who is a Knight of Columbus should never be allowed to be made a judge; and that is a very minor part of her animus against the Church.
 
otjm said:
He is clearly pro abortion, and that is just for starters.
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Nobody is pro abortion. Biden is pro choice. If you fail to appreciate the difference, or appreciate it and refuse to accept it, then your arguments will not fail. They will simply be ignored.
 
Where in Church teaching is free speech stated as a virtue or the lack of it immoral? When was this point of view adopted by the Church? Or is it only considered a problem if the government is secular?
 
FiveLinden said:
Where in Church teaching is free speech stated as a virtue or the lack of it immoral? When was this point of view adopted by the Church? Or is it only considered a problem if the government is secular?
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Facism, communism and socialism? Maybe capitalism is the preferred option.
 
Freddy said:
Facism, communism and socialism? Maybe capitalism is the preferred option.
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I can immediately think of condemnation by the Church of communism, and of socialism akin to communism, and capitalism in its laissez-faire form, and of nazism, but can’t immediately bring to mind a general condemnation of fascism, say in Spain, Italy or Portugal. Is there such a condemnation?
 
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Freddy:
Facism, communism and socialism? Maybe capitalism is the preferred option.
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I can immediately think of condemnation by the Church of communism, and of socialism akin to communism, and capitalism in its laissez-faire form, and of nazism, but can’t immediately bring to mind a general condemnation of fascism, say in Spain, Italy or Portugal. Is there such a condemnation?
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The church supported Franco (and, to a certain extent, Mussolini). So facism beats communism it would have seemed.
 
But for the grace of God, there go I.

Let’s pray for our dear brothers’ and sisters’ souls, who, it is true, seriously risk unending torment should they not repent before death, which awaits them soon - as it is soon for all… God loves them so much and yet deeply hates how they behave - we should do the same, no?
 
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Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
One of American society’s greatest failures is the continued shaming of third party voters. Our nation will forever be sick until we learn to not shame and suppress others for voting their conscience.
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Voting for a third party candidate is only sensible if one sees no effective difference between the offerings of the two major parties, an exceedingly rare occurrence. As a practical matter either a Democrat or a Republican will win except in special circumstances, and a choice between bad and worse is still a choice we should be willing to make. There is nothing particularly noble in abandoning an opportunity to minimize the damage because we were hoping for better.
 
Yep, this “bankruptcy” word gets trotted out often as if it’s some sort of scarlet letter.

As usual reality is a lot more nuanced.

Chapter 11s (which are business reorganizations, and there is a difference between that and liquidations) happen all the time in business including for strategic reasons.

Plus, you’d have to be brilliant to orchestrate corporate bankruptcies - yet never lose a nickel personally!

More on point, it’s also interesting that people automatically equate allegations of “success” with purely FINANCIAL success. I was in fact speaking about the ways the man has turned holes in the ground into high rise towers including in very development-unfriendly areas; orchestrated the buying of significant properties at little or no personal risk to himself, etc.

I would speculate that many folks on this board by contrast would struggle to know how to get a permit to renovate a bathroom in a studio condo in New York City - as opposed to turning a hole in the ground into a luxury high rise, as Trump has done many times.
 
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VonDerTann said:
As usual reality is a lot more nuanced.
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That I can agree with. But I absolutely reject the notion that Trump is any sort of expert at anything except praising Trump and evading responsibility. And to him, reality is not only nuanced, but flexible (but only by him).
 
I actually have no issue with anything Trump has done in business.

By contrast, people ought to be very interested in how Joe Biden became a multi-millionaire working in government.
 
Buzzard3 said:
Can someone be Catholic AND a Democrat? The mind boggles!
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It just takes a little thought.Take the abortion issue.

The Republican wants to establish a nanny state to police the most intimate moments in a woman’s life, telling her what she must do.

The Democrat wants to convince women not to choose abortion, and sees the first step is to ensure that every woman knows she has a choice.

Every policy has multiple implications. The Republican sees an expansive role for government and wants to limit freedom, as a way to implement opposition to abortion. The Democrat may reject those arguments and exalt the freedom women have to choose to give birth.

There are probably a dozen other issues that might influence someone becoming a Democrat or Republican while opposing abortion. Health care, medical ethics, family ties, etc. might influence the politics of someone who opposes abortion.
 
Well, Biden has in fact become a multimillionaire working in government - and his son Hunter is as well, courtesy of the Chinese.

Biden’s business dealings should concern anyone of honest mien.
 
The republicans want to create a “nanny state”?

Candidly that’s absurd. The Republicans are the party of less red tape; personal responsibility; and getting the government out of people’s lives.

They do however draw the line at murder of the unborn.

Nothing about the Democrats’ position in any way makes abortion less likely.
 
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