Story: "Prominent clergy are duking it out on social media over Joe Biden calling himself Catholic."

[whatistrue]

Biden’s business dealings should concern anyone of honest mien.

Let’s not get into whataboutism and unfounded accusations. You may notice that I avoided innuendo and speculation about Trump and the Russians. How about extending the same courtesy? Or we can simply end the conversation.

 

[Dovekin]

I actually have no issue with anything Trump has done in business.

By contrast, people ought to be very interested in how Joe Biden became a multi-millionaire working in government.

Biden has probably released his tax returns every year for the last 30 years. It should be fairly easy to figure out how he made his money.

Trump otoh does not release any information to the public, not even to the proper authorities. He is so far from the open book that people are claiming he is.

 

[Dovekin]

I was gonna say calling the Republicans nanny state was kind of ridiculous.

How do you think a ban on abortion will be administered?

 

[StudentMI]

How do you think a ban on abortion will be administered?

Criminal charges for doctors and those who seek or self administer an abortion.

Turning nanny state against the Republicans doesn’t really make sense, though.

 

[whatistrue]

and getting the government out of people’s lives.

Like the masked Federal agents in Oregon throwing people into cars? I wondered where the people who always go on about how the purpose of the Second amendment is to allow us to resist an oppressive government (which I actually happen to agree with; I just don’t go about trumpeting it like a right-wing virtue signal) when the government actually was oppressing people?

 

[StudentMI]

So the feds are oppressing rioters and looters?

 

[Dovekin]

Dovekin:

How do you think a ban on abortion will be administered?

Criminal charges for doctors and those who seek or self administer an abortion.

Turning nanny state against the Republicans doesn’t really make sense, though.

How is that not like a “nanny state” telling someone what to do?

Besides, I was choosing just one scenario for being an anti-abortion Republican. There may be others.

 

[whatistrue]

Mostly protesters. Which is in fact a Constitutionally protected activity. That there was rioting and looting going on is a fact, but to call anyone in the area a rioter or looter is not.

 

[StudentMI]

The purpose of government is telling people what to do. Unless you want to advance an anarchist theory of the state then accepting that is just part of life.

 

[Dovekin]

The purpose of government is telling people what to do. Unless you want to advance an anarchist theory of the state then accepting that is just part of life.

Isn’t telling people what to do what a nanny state is all about?

 

[StudentMI]

No it’s what a state is about. Nanny and patriarchal governments go beyond that.

 

[puer.dei]

He’s certainly more successful than anyone else on this board by a factor of 100.

Thanks to his flip-flop on releasing his taxes, we don’t really know that.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

As a practical matter either a Democrat or a Republican will win except in special circumstances

because people like you tell people like me that it’s worthless to vote for a third party.

This kind of speech is exactly what I was talking about. This kind of speech is why things will never get better. This kind of speech is why “lesser of two evils” won’t ever leave our political speech. So long as third party voters are shamed and ridiculed for voting for who they think should be president, the words of those doing the shaming will come true.

 

[VonDerTann]

Are you serious?

The same federal agents who were rendered permanently blind by lasers?

The same agents who were spat on?

Who had bricks hurled at them?

Who had urine bottles thrown at them?

—because they were defending a US courthouse these animals AKA “peaceful protesters” broke into and tried to burn down?

 

[Ender]

This kind of speech is exactly what I was talking about. This kind of speech is why things will never get better. This kind of speech is why “lesser of two evils” won’t ever leave our political speech. So long as third party voters are shamed and ridiculed for voting for who they think should be president, the words of those doing the shaming will come true.

Have I “shamed” you by pointing out the facts of the matter? By taking a position contrary to yours?

It is an undeniable truth that this election will be won either by Trump or by Harris, sorry, Biden. Voting third party, or not voting at all, will have no effect on that. If you want to change things the time to do it is in the primaries, where a small number of committed voters can actually make a difference.

As I said, if you see absolutely no difference between the two candidates, that it makes no difference which of them wins, then your position is reasonable. What is not reasonable, however, is to believe it really doesn’t matter which of them wins.

As for condemning the “lesser of two evils”, if the church recognizes its validity why should we object to it? I am disinclined to make the perfect the enemy of the good…or to accept worse when better is an option.

 

[upant]

Obviously the answer is yes. Consider that the only priest who served in Congress was a liberal Democrat.

the democratic party has changed drastically from when he was in congress

The Democrat wants to convince women not to choose abortion, and sees the first step is to ensure that every woman knows she has a choice

the dems want abortion free up until and some are pushing for just after birth.

the choice part is just an excuse so people can try and wash their hands of the issue. it didn’t work for Pilate and won’t work for the dems.

The Republican sees an expansive role for government and wants to limit freedom, as a way to implement opposition to abortion.

the republican wants to save lives

Health care, medical ethics, family ties, etc. might influence the politics of someone who opposes abortion.

St John Paul II (bold mine)

Above all, the common outcry, which is justly made on behalf of human rights-for example, the right to health, to home, to work, to family, to culture- is false and illusory if the right to life, the most basic and fundamental right and the condition for all other personal rights, is not defended with maximum determination

 

[Nepperhan]

the democratic party has changed drastically from when he was in congress

It has changed? You’d have to explain that to some here who blame the Klan (inaccurately) on the Democratic Party after the Civil War.

The TX lieutenant governor blames Democrats for the Confederate monuments in Texas and says they have to admit that before we can have a candid dialog. (He won’t say if he supports moving the monuments, though.)

 

[whatistrue]

Are you serious?

The same federal agents

Yes, I am serious, and I am talking about federal agents with their identities concealed taking people off the streets who weren’t doing anything illegal. And Oregon was not the first place that federal agents were tasked with using disproportionate force against U.S. citizens engaged in completely legal behavior in recent months. Make no mistake, I have no sympathy for rioters or looters arrested for committing those crimes, but that is not what I am talking about.

Where have we seen that sort of thing happen before?

 

[upant]

It has changed?

yes, it was once the party of rare. they were more respecting of religion and now they are the party of the “nones”

with their identities concealed taking people

they were labeled as police,

 

[VonDerTann]

Please do us a favor and condemn the violence displayed toward federal agents.

Or do you believe it is appropriate to blind them with lasers; hurl bricks at them; spit on them?

Just so we know where you stand on this.

Of course their identities are concealed - Antifa members are doxxing them.