Straight kids should not be bullied

[livingwordunity]

I think they are equally wrong.
What I don’t understand is why you feel like what happened to you was wrong but you don’t seem to have empathy for kids who were bullied for being gay. I don’t think Christ would have tolerated biracial or gay children being picked on.

I have empathy for every kid who gets bullied. I just don’t accept the idea that “gays” experience it worse than others because I know (short of getting killed) what I experienced was about as bad as it gets. And by the way, I got bullied by blacks as well as by whites since I was mixed race and not all one race or the other.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Hey - don’t blame me for SSM! I would vote against it.

The homosexual community didn’t lobby for SSM to stop bullying in schools, but so they would have the same family rights.

The Catholic Church - which is hardly pro SSM (unless I am gravely mistaken) is against the bullying of kids with SSA. Or am I wrong?

And apparently heterosexual marriage doesn’t prevent straight kids getting bullied either.

I believe that the church has said that SSA isn’t what is sinful, that acting on those feelings is what is a sin. Gays are called to chastity.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I have empathy for every kid who gets bullied. I just don’t accept the idea that “gays” experience it worse than anyone because I know (short of getting killed) what I experienced was about as bad as it gets.

I don’t think anyone should say how someone else feels. Something that may be a huge deal to one person, another can dust off.
Being bullied is wrong. Period. To say you had it worse, but another person didn’t have it as bad as you isn’t right. You don’t know unless you are that person. To target another group, just beacause you FEEL like you had it worse, is being a bully towards that group.

 

[meltzerboy]

The numbers bullied doesn’t necessarily equate to the numbers who commit suicide. “Gays” still have the highest suicide rates even in countries where homosexual behavior has been very accepted (see 90Domer’s post above this one). Remember, I told you that I was bullied a lot when I was growing up. I think it was because I was a different race. But the bullying didn’t make me commit suicide. Do you think that calling a kid a “fag” is worse than white kids calling a mixed race kid “monkey face”? Think about all the Christians in history that were persecuted for being Christian, but they didn’t commit suicide. Higher numbers of suicides among “gays” doesn’t mean more of them get bullied.

You’re right: bullying ALONE does not cause most gays, or those of other groups, to commit suicide. However, gays are also often subject to rejection and disdain by their own families, as well as their peers, by their religion, and by the media and the broader culture, which still regards straight relationships as the norm despite the changes that have taken place nowadays. When one is continuously socialized since childhood to think of oneself as an abnormal outsider in so many different ways, depression and possible suicide are not such far-fetched consequences.

 

[livingwordunity]

I don’t think anyone should say how someone else feels. Something that may be a huge deal to one person, another can dust off.
Being bullied is wrong. Period. To say you had it worse, but another person didn’t have it as bad as you isn’t right. You don’t know unless you are that person. To target another group, just beacause you FEEL like you had it worse is being a bully towards that group.

I’m not the one saying that one kind of bullying is worse. I’m the one saying that bullying is bullying. Others are saying that “gays” experience it worse. But there is nothing to support that claim that holds water. The suicide argument has been refuted by the fact that “gays” commit suicide at much higher rates than straights regardless of social acceptance of it.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I’m not the one saying that one kind of bullying is worse. I’m the one saying that bullying is bullying. Others are saying that “gays” experience it worse. But there is nothing to support that claim that holds water. The suicide argument has been refuted by the fact that “gays” commit suicide at much higher rates than straights regardless of social acceptance of it.

You basically called out gays in your OP when you said that straight kids should be protected from being bullied, like they were being picked on because they like the opposite sex. What happened to you had nothing to do with what sex you liked. You were bullied because of your race. Being straight has nothing to do with why you were bullied. You targeted gays at the very beginning. All of it is wrong.
I am very sorry that you were bullied. I pray that by the time I have children and they go to school, they won’t be picked on for being biracial.
You didn’t state at the beginning of your post why you were bullied, you just separated straights and gays.

 

[90Domer]

Hey - don’t blame me for SSM! I would vote against it.

The homosexual community didn’t lobby for SSM to stop bullying in schools, but so they would have the same family rights.

The Catholic Church - which is hardly pro SSM (unless I am gravely mistaken) is against the bullying of kids with SSA. Or am I wrong?

And apparently heterosexual marriage doesn’t prevent straight kids getting bullied either.

I think you missed my point. In the US, the big argument for approving SSM is that greater acceptance will reduce that amount of bullying and thus lower the suicide rate. However, your post doesn’t seem to be indicative of that. So legalizing SSM will not be the cure-all to things like acceptance that the gay community makes it out to be.

Supporting them to live a chaste life is the most loving and charitable thing we can do. And there are many graces they will receive and many we can learn from them.

 

[triumphguy]

I believe that the church has said that SSA isn’t what is sinful, that acting on those feelings is what is a sin. Gays are called to chastity.

Experzackerly!

And the Church is still against “gay bashing”

Go figure!

And I agree that “Supporting them to live a chaste life is the most loving and charitable thing we can do. And there are many graces they will receive and many we can learn from them.”

And furthermore we should encourage all teens to embrace chastity.

 

[Bruised_Reed]

(…) In the US, the big argument for approving SSM is that greater acceptance will reduce that amount of bullying and thus lower the suicide rate.
(…)

I have never heard given as a reason, let alone the big arguement.

 

[livingwordunity]

You basically called out gays in your OP when you said that straight kids should be protected from being bullied, like they were being picked on because they like the opposite sex. What happened to you had nothing to do with what sex you liked. You were bullied because of your race. Being straight has nothing to do with why you were bullied. You targeted gays at the very beginning. All of it is wrong.
I am very sorry that you were bullied. I pray that by the time I have children and they go to school, they won’t be picked on for being biracial.
You didn’t state at the beginning of your post why you were bullied, you just separated straights and gays.

The title of the OP isn’t any different than someone saying “gays” shouldn’t be bullied. I did it to show this. And, as expected, there were a lot of hypocritical responses.

 

[triumphguy]

The title of the OP isn’t any different than someone saying “gays” shouldn’t be bullied. I did it to show this. And, as expected, there were a lot of hypocritical responses.

So - just out of interest - were my responses hypocritical?

If not me then who?

 

[livingwordunity]

All one has to do is compare the responses in this thread with the ones in the thread titled “LGBT DAY OF SILENCE” to see who is not being consistent.

 

[triumphguy]

All one has to do is compare the responses in this thread with the ones in the thread titled “LGBT DAY OF SILENCE” to see who is not being consistent.

I’m not going to spend my time doing that - I want to know if in your eyes my posts were hypocritical -

It was your statement. either delete it, (you still have time) or back it up.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

The title of the OP isn’t any different than someone saying “gays” shouldn’t be bullied. I did it to show this. And, as expected, there were a lot of hypocritical responses.

NO. ONE. SHOULD. BE. BULLIED. Straight kids aren’t picked on for being straight. I assume you are straight, you weren’t bullied for being straight. I am straight, over half of my friends were gay in high school and they never picked on my for being straight.

Who has been a hypocrite?!

 

[triumphguy]

All one has to do is compare the responses in this thread with the ones in the thread titled “LGBT DAY OF SILENCE” to see who is not being consistent.

Just because:

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peace2u2 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 6:24 am
kozlosap Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:35 am
peace2u2 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 8:01 am
fix Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 11:29 am
Megan7 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:49 pm
livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:37 am
kozlosap Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 1:16 pm
andrewstx Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 5:33 pm
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:38 pm
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:45 pm
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Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 7:41 am
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CopticChristian Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:00 am
signit Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:45 am

The only person I see posting in that thread who also posted in this thread is

drumroll…

livingwordunity

Sorry to call you out like this, but you can’t go throwing words like “hypocrite” around.

 

[livingwordunity]

Just because:

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CatholicGeek1 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 6:17 am
peace2u2 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 6:27 am
Dorothy Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 6:40 am
gam197 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 6:46 am
10gr8kids Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:41 am
Jeanne S Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:00 am
ActingCatholic Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:17 am
signit Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:56 am
CatholicGeek1 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 11:08 am
1AugustSon7 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:11 am
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:53 am
livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 8:48 am
1AugustSon7 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:58 am
Elizabeth502 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:27 am
livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 2:38 pm
Oxford Cleric Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 3:20 pm
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:43 am
livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:55 am
TimothyH Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:58 am
livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 8:04 am
bitznbitez Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 8:19 am
CatholicGeek1 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 11:04 am
bitznbitez Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 2:23 pm
10gr8kids Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 2:41 pm
fix Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 11:26 am
1AugustSon7 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:52 am
CatholicGeek1 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 11:07 am
Elizabeth502 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 11:16 am
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JustinMissouri Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:15 pm
VeritasLuxMea Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:32 pm
JustinMissouri Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:43 pm
CatholicGeek1 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 3:56 am
markomalley Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 4:32 am
Dakota Roberts Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 7:48 am
peace2u2 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 6:24 am
kozlosap Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 10:35 am
peace2u2 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 8:01 am
fix Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 11:29 am
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livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:37 am
kozlosap Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 1:16 pm
andrewstx Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 5:33 pm
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:38 pm
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Wampa Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:48 pm
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 7:41 am
andrewstx Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 7:54 pm
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 8:41 pm
CatholicGeek1 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 3:53 am
Rocky24 Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 4:48 am
Thomas Peter Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 8:20 am
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andrewstx Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 4:50 pm
livingwordunity Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 5:49 pm
fix Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 11:32 am
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JustinMissouri Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Today, 10:35 am
CopticChristian Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:00 am
signit Re: LGBT DAY OF SILENCE -… Yesterday, 9:45 am

**The only person I see posting in that thread who also posted in this thread is

drumroll…

livingwordunity**

Sorry to call you out like this, but you can’t go throwing words like “hypocrite” around.

I suggest you check that list again with who posted in this thread. But it isn’t my desire to call out anyone.

 

[triumphguy]

I suggest you check that list again with who posted in this thread.

It’s your label - you point it out.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I find this statistic interesting for a country that is supposedly much more tolerant of the gay lifestyle (SSM is legal in Canada, is in not)? So, why would the suicide rate be so high? Sadly, I think this speaks to the fact legalizing SSM is not the panacea for the SSA community that people make it out to be.

It won’t be. But like good progressives, they’ll take their anger out on those who don’t agree with them instead of addressing the real issues.

 

[TimeEntrance]

I pray that by the time I have children and they go to school, they won’t be picked on for being biracial.

I think being biracial is the new “cool” now, so, I wouldn’t worry about that so much. Generally speaking. I can predict what occurs in every town of of 5,000 people. But things are a lot different than when I was a child. Which is interesting , because I find myself becoming like my parents, seeing how the children of today don’t quite connect with the period in which I came up in.

How the child looks will matter too. It’s more likely the child will be accepted or popular if they are especially attractive. Not that cliques of jealous kids can’t single them out and torment them. I’m just saying it’s easier being Halle Berry than being what some regard as “fugly” looking.

Livingword will just have to get used to the fact it is a changing world. He can either accept that or be consumed with unease and anger over the new accomplishments of the LGBT community. They have lobbied, made their voices heard, and garnered sympathy (not just empathy) from a very large, and growing, part of the population in the West.

Sympathy in the context I use it in this post: thefreedictionary.com/sympathy

4. A feeling of loyalty; allegiance. Often used in the plural: His sympathies lie with his family.

“Ugly” (physically unattractive) kids are probably going to find a lot less support, and less empathy, in large part because they can’t muster a collective campaign, lobbying politicians et cetera. In part because human’s are part of the animal kingdom and we discriminate in favor of those with physical characteristics we find more attractive.

That is just the world. I don’t think Livingword should expect anything different out of those identifying themselves as Catholic. I don’t. But Livingword has to come to his own views about what’s worth pursuing.

From my perspective I don’t necessarily agree with some of the popular sympathetic views about homosexuality (not empathy and not sympathy, allegiance as fellow humans–I’m not talking about that). But I’m not willing to oppose them entirely either. Not in a certain sense. I would probably vote for gay marriage if push comes to shove. And even if 99.99% of the City of Milwaukee were gay that does not mean I have to be.

Likewise, people can raise their children as they wish. I will raise mine as I see fit.

I have a number of gay and lesbian relatives. And never once have I told them how to live their life. And never will I. And they are as good to me as the Pope in Rome. One aunt of mine has essentially a wife that has always treated me with nothing but charity. And she (not my aunt) has had a life of tremendous suffering and abuse and she has lived her days rising above it. My aunt has had a lot of suffering and obstacles in her life too. But the two of them stick by one another and support each other through the travails of life.

I think it’s better to accept where people are. If a gay person asked me my honest advice that would be another matter. Short of that I’m not offering any criticism. I have my own life to worry about. Livingword might do better to worry about his own life. But that’s up to him.

 

[Gaerteuth]

As opposed to disapproving of bullying universally?

You sound a lot like a homophobe.