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triumphguy
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- I’m not an LGBT activist.
- I think we should have focussed campaigns.
- I don’t think kids are as stupid as you seem to think.
- Not everyone who disagrees with you is a hypocrite.
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livingwordunity
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It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about consistency. My goal was to highlight how the political correctness culture in general tends to be hypocritical and to get people to think outside of the ideologically emotion driven political correctness box. But I didn’t call you out or accuse you personally of anything. And I didn’t say that kids are stupid. I said it’s us adults who are often the stupid ones. That’s why a kid who wants to be a bully is smart enough to realize that he can get us adults on a technicality and justify his bullying of straight kids because we only told him that bullying against “LGBT” kids is wrong.
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triumphguy
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I don’t think bullies think like that.
They often don’t really know they are bullying - they’re “just having some harmless fun.”
They need to realise what the words they use mean, which entails that we tell them what the specific words mean.
We know how offensive the “N” word is - mainly because we’ve been told by those whom that word hurt.
We know how offensive words like “mong” and “retard” are because we have been told. (I have a son with down syndrome so I feel it in my gut when I hear things like that, but so many people just say stuff without thought).
Do people know how hurtful words like “fag” and “gay” are?
I don’t think so.
So they need to be told.
“Simples,” as they say in England.
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livingwordunity
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Like I said before, there are thousands of reasons bullies have for bullying. It can be because a kid has red hair and freckles, because of race, because of religion, a kid being from the wrong side of the tracks, the new kid, etc. But if we look at the root psychology, there’s really only one basic reason which is there’s something different about a kid that another kid wants to exploit do to an insecurity on the part of the bully. The bully wants to take attention away from his own insecurities about himself. To a bully, any reason is a good reason to bully another kid. And a commercial telling bullies not to be bullies is not going to stop it any more than a sign that says “gun free zone” will stop a spree killer. I hate the fact that bullying happens. And bullying comes in many forms such as how the government has been bullying Christians. Bullying has been happening since the time that Cain bullied Abel. But if we are going to speak out against bullying, it should be with the clear message that no form of bullying is acceptable. That means not p(name removed by moderator)ointing one form of bullying as if it’s worse than other kinds.I don’t think bullies think like that.
They often don’t really know they are bullying - they’re “just having some harmless fun.”
They need to realise what the words they use mean, which entails that we tell them what the specific words mean.
We know how offensive the “N” word is - mainly because we’ve been told by those whom that word hurt.
We know how offensive words like “mong” and “retard” are because we have been told. (I have a son with down syndrome so I feel it in my gut when I hear things like that, but so many people just say stuff without thought).
Do people know how hurtful words like “fag” and “gay” are?
I don’t think so.
So they need to be told.
“Simples,” as they say in England.
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triumphguy
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And often people are not aware that what they are doing is harmful in a particular situations. Hence the need to have focused campaigns. Hence the reason God gave Moses 10 Commandments, and not one - Thou Shalt Not Sin.
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Jeanne_S
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This!
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livingwordunity
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Gaerteuth
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You’re failing to account that liberals don’t want a utopia.
Communists want a utopia;
Liberals want basic needs taken care of such as good health and livable wage, while extraneous needs (such as buying a boat) must be earned with fiscal responsibility and work.
Traditional beliefs about ANYTHING (sexuality included) are fundamentally disordered. They carry no reasoning, they only survive via the bandwagon effect.
Ever heard of “slut-shaming”? It only happens because of traditional belief, and the only purpose it serves is to keep that traditional belief on life support.
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TimeEntrance
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No people aren’t. If it does occur it is an anomaly in our Western societies. I also don’t think your example demonstrated a person being bullied for being heterosexual. Heterosexuality was not the object of disdain in your scenario, but rather the female competitor for the affection of a specific male in the war of sexual selection.I understand why he titled the thread this way, but to say people aren picke on for having heterosexual feelings is nonsense and i cited an example of that even
Livingword is upset over what he sees as homosexuals and their sympathizers bringing in heresy into his Western and particular national culture.
He does not share the homosexual kid’s experience. They do not share his. And I doubt he shares me experience with many Black-Americans and Black-American women. Sympathy and empathy are not necessarily carry the same meaning. Shunning a homosexual kid for being homosexual is bullying. And kids I would argue learning bullying from adults. Most of whom are no more than juveniles with mortgages. Call that offensive if you want. I see little evidence to the contrary.
I don’t have to share the homosexual kid’s experience to empathize with him. I can draw from my own experiences to empathize or at least try to empathize with the homosexual kid.
I also don’t have to always agree with their desires or beliefs about sex or sexual orientation to do it.
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TimeEntrance
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And you are not?
There is a reason what some term “monastic Christianity” tends to be my favorite expression of Christianity. A very interior journey. Although, monasticism demands and enforces conformity too. So, I suppose if one wanted to be totally a “free thinker” as some like to call it, then one might have to become a libertarian hermit living off alone in some mountain forest.
meltzerboy
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You’re new. On this Forum, the terms liberal, leftist, democrat, communist, socialist, secularist, moral relativist, and atheist are used virtually interchangeably. I agree with your first statement but not your second regarding traditional beliefs’ being “fundamentally disordered” and surviving only via “the bandwagon effect.” Why do you regard them as disordered?
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Gaerteuth
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Looks like almost all the people on this forum are anti-intellectuals in that case.
Tradition is fundamentally disordered because it has no “backbone”. Trying to apply old tradition to modern ethics is like trying to show geological dating evidence to a Young-Earth Creationist.
They already think that they’re right, so they cannot be compelled by any outside idea and are already defunct in the world of debate.
Tradition. in the same exact way as said above, is defunct in the world of debate as well.
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triumphguy
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You misunderstand what Tradition is in the Catholic Church.
Tradition is Christ.
The world changes, Christ does not.
Hot is always hot., Cold is always cold. Up is always up. Down is always down.
Ditto Christ.
Tradition is the tradere - the handing on - of Christ in the Church through Scripture and Church teaching.
This teaching is always “new,” and always challenges. But it is always unchanging in the way that hot is always hot.
Tradition is not old wives’ tales, superstition, cultural memes, or “catholic” brand recognition.
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Elizabeth502
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That’s an unacceptable response. The thread suggests an anti-bullying-of-straight-kids, parallel to anti-bullying-of-LGBT-kids.
Defend why you supported, on the other thread, a specific protest against one category of bullying, but not another – when your opponents on the other thread suggested the very idea you have here, to wit:
ALL BULLYING IS UNACCEPTABLE.
Again, this further reinforces my response on the other thread, which you have just demonstrated:
There is no bullying that is more acceptable, and no bullying that is less acceptable. Bullying is a category of revolting and immoral behavior, whoever the target, and whoever the perpetrator. Any other conclusion is a form of discrimination or preference. (Also known as a value judgment.)
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fix
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Relativism is tyranny.
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Julianna
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Gaerteuth, dearest… thinking for yourself is not allowed. Being able to debate, to think outside the box, to be innovative is frowned upon. I disagree with you about the sweeping “uneducated” remark. Most, if not all here are highly educated with regard to teachings of the Church. Canon law, tenants of the faith can be recited verbatim, just ask a question. I admit, I am not a Catholic scholar, I don’t need to be.
It’s the application to the “spirit of the law” as it relates to the world we “live” in, where the company is parted and the line is drawn. IOW, if you don’t adhere to the “letter of law”, you are a guilty of tyranny. Don’t take it to heart. I don’t. I have been called a “relativist feminist”…no harm, no foul. Our Lord knows what is in my heart, and that is all that matters to me. The Holy Spirit is my conscience and guides me. This is what matters to me. I don’t run to the mods saying, “Boo hoo, somebody hurt my feelings.”
I don’t believe it is necessary, because each one of us have something to share to contribute.Bullying is wrong on all accounts, gay, straight, color, race, religion, tallness, shortness, braces, glasses, …
I don’t believe you are tyrannical, FWIW… don’t take it to heart…
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Elizabeth502
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The poster fix did not accuse any poster of being “tyrannical.” The criticism was directed toward a movement, a reality of modern life, which is the modern preference for a shifting morality, as opposed to the permanence of an absolute morality.
Nor did Pope Emeritus BXVI accuse persons of being “dictators” when he spoke about the dictatorship of relativism.
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fix
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It is not hard to reason, that is unless you have a seared conscience.
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