Struggling with Contradictions in Scripture

[feed_me]

Wrong incorrect, I cant cheat the work for, you have to do the work to listen to the voice of the Lord.

 

[PJM]

That’s - your big “ contradiction “ point of evidence ?
Ha ha aha ohhh man -

YOU term yourself a CHRISTian and POST like you did; when someone in IN a Faith-crisis. SHAME on you

Patrick

 

[Seagull]

He’s in ‘a faith crisis ‘ over how many generations there were between Adam and David ?

I don’t think so.

 

[guanophore]

Wrong incorrect,

Perhaps you can explain the part I got incorrect?

I cant cheat the work for, you have to do the work to listen to the voice of the Lord.

When did you first hear the “voice of the Lord”?

How does being saved create “work”? Do you have to “work” to be saved? Do you have to “work” to hear God’s word?

 

[feed_me]

Burning in the boosem… lol really, thats not how it is? I cant describe it for you, you have to listen, you will know when you hear it.

1. Faith without works is dead, you live out your faith.
2. No you turn your life over to Christ and live out your faith.

 

[Erikaspirit16]

Here we go again. No one has posted it yet, so I will post this for the umteenth time:

Dei Verbum, Vatican II

http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_...ents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html

“…the books of Scripture must be acknowledged as teaching solidly, faithfully and without error that truth which God wanted put into sacred writings for the sake of salvation.”

Catechism of the Catholic Church, p. 32:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

“In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words.

In order to discover the sacred authors’ intention, the reader must take into account the conditions of their time and culture, the literary genres in use at that time, and the modes of feeling, speaking, and narrating then current. ‘For the fact is that truth is differently presented and expressed in the various types of historical writing, in prophetical and poetical texts, and in other forms of literary expression.’”

So. Contradictions. Yes, the Bible is full of them. But they are only found in the unimportant details. “What God wanted to reveal to us” is not the details, but the main point of the story. And the Bible never contradicts itself there. For example, read the Resurrection stories in all four Gospels. There are all sorts of differences in the details. But the actual message–that Jesus rose, physically, from the dead–is the same. As a Catholic, are you allowed to interpret the Bible literally? Sure. But as the OP points out, that just leads to a host of problems. Do you consider every single detail a revelation from God? Really? Then you also have a host of problems to explain. Good luck!

As for the OP’s other questions, who said “Scripture is perfect”? Not the Catholic Church. That’s a fundamentalist point of view.

Why are the contradictions there in the first place? Because the various writings were done by different people at different times. The Bible was not dictated word for word to the writers. They were inspired to express an idea (“You should love your neighbor,” etc.) and they expressed the same idea in different ways.

To quote Garry Wills after he discussed all the variations in the Resurrection stories: “So what?” And that is the correct Catholic response. They just don’t matter.

 

[guanophore]

Burning in the boosem… lol really, thats not how it is?

Well, how is the Mormon concept of “burning in the bosom” different from what the disciples experienced on the road to Emmaus?

32 They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the scriptures?” Acts 24

I cant describe it for you, you have to listen, you will know when you hear it.

That is just the point. Each person hears according to their own perception, and each one believes that they hear the voice of the Lord, but the Lord speaks with One Voice, and does not contradict Himself, so how can opposite things be true?

One believer “knows” they heard the Lord when they believe that salvation happens once in time, for all time. Another believes that they “heard the Lord” when they believe that a person can fall from grace, and fail to enter into the salvation that is kept in heaven for them. Can both be right? Does God contradict HImself?

• Faith without works is dead, you live out your faith.
• No you turn your life over to Christ and live out your faith.

Do you perceive these as contradictions?

 

[CelticWarlord]

My personal response to people who point out discrepancies is, so what? The message remains the same and is not dependent on absolute conformity. As one poster already pointed out, the bible was not meant as an exhaustive historical account, or a flawless set of biographies. If two or three writers have different memories of an event, at least the event has been recognized. I’m no longer of the view of my fellow Protestant evangelicals that the bible is and must be inerrant. Expecting it to be only creates problems. It is a masterpiece regardless.

 

[feed_me]

I dont care about the morman teachings so idk on that

God speaks with one voice, if listening skills are applied then you would already know what he sounds like

And thats why you have all these splits in the church and all these false profits/teachers taking advantage of people and making them worse then them, and some just got itchy ears that want to be scratched.

Nope God dont contradict himself, scripture backs up scripture.

 

[guanophore]

I dont care about the morman teachings so idk on that

The problem here is that you don’t care about your OWN teachings. When you are told that you are teaching the same thing the Mormons teach, you have no way to prove that what you are teaching is any different/better. For that reason, why should anyone take your word over the mormons, since you are saying the same thing?

God speaks with one voice, if listening skills are applied then you would already know what he sounds like

We agree that God speaks with one voice, but what you don’t seem to understand is humans hear that voice very differently. If this were not the case, there would not be Mormons, and so many denominations. It is our perception that prevents the unity.

I will ask you again, since you dont’ seem to realize that you have not answered. What “listening skills” are you talking about applying? How is what you “already know” better than what the Mormon already knows?

There are as many perceptions as there are belly buttons, feed_me. All you are saying is that you belly button is more “right” than everyone else’s.

 

[ascetic]

I’m reading this a week after your post, so forgive me if someone already mentioned this. I just started a new book on my kindle about this very topic. The author is Trent Horn, who you may know from CA. In my own experience, atheists just live for the attempt at poking holes in anyone’s faith, even the nice ones among them. I’m only halfway through the first chapter, but I’ve read another of the author’s books, Answering Atheism, so I’ll go out on a limb by recommending you read it. I’m willing to bet it will answer whatever questions you may have.

https://www.amazon.com/Hard-Sayings-Catholic-Answering-Difficulties-ebook/dp/B01I2F3TSE

 

[feed_me]

The problem here is that you don’t care about your OWN teachings. When you are told that you are teaching the same thing the Mormons teach, you have no way to prove that what you are teaching is any different/better. For that reason, why should anyone take your word over the mormons, since you are saying the same thing?

Wait thats what the mormans teach, did not know that so thanks for the useless information since well i dont care about there teachings.

We agree that God speaks with one voice, but what you don’t seem to understand is humans hear that voice very differently. If this were not the case, there would not be Mormons, and so many denominations. It is our perception that prevents the unity.

I will ask you again, since you dont’ seem to realize that you have not answered. What “listening skills” are you talking about applying? How is what you “already know” better than what the Mormon already knows?

There are as many perceptions as there are belly buttons, feed_me. All you are saying is that you belly button is more “right” than everyone else’s.

Ehnt wrong again. God speaks with one voice and sounds the exact same to everybody who listenes for his voice. Now God may answer in different ways like through a priest, a doctor, scripture exe exe but when he talks to you personally he sounds the exact same as he always did since the beginning of creation.
John 10: 1-6

You accuse me of being a mormon, If I started talking about things the protostans or baptists taught would you accuse me of that too. Which one is it. Why are you dismissive and deflective of what I talk to you about?

 

[guanophore]

Wait thats what the mormans teach, did not know that so thanks for the useless information since well i dont care about there teachings.

You may not care that you are teaching the same thing the Mormons do, and that is ok. You have the perogative to make up your own religion if you want to do so. You can call it Feed_Me_ism!

People here on CAF will care, even if you don’t. We will notice that you are promoting your own brand of faith that uses the same methods as Mormonism.

God speaks with one voice and sounds the exact same to everybody who listenes for his voice.

If this were true, feed_me, there would not be any denominations at all. Everyone believes that they hear the One Voice of God, including you, and the Mormon method you are emulating.

when he talks to you personally he sounds the exact same as he always did since the beginning of creation.

Since you were not present at the beginning of creation, how can you verify this?

You accuse me of being a mormon,

No, I said you are using Mormon methods to authenticate what you are advocating.

If I started talking about things the protostans or baptists taught would you accuse me of that too.

Actually Baptists are Protestants, and some of them also use the same Mormon method you are using!

Which one is it. Why are you dismissive and deflective of what I talk to you about?

I have not deflected anything. I am asking you to give support for what you are pandering on here.

I am calling you to account for yourself as Peter, our first Pope, wrote in his encyclical:

1 Peter 3:15 … Always be prepared to make a defense to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence;

You do not see to be prepared to make a defense for yourself, or your Mormon methods of purporting it. You have not stated what you believe with gentleness and reverence, calling what others believe “crap”.

You have stated that what the Catholic Church teaches is wrong. So I am wondering what brings you to a Catholic forum? What is your goal here?

 

[feed_me]

I cant help you anymore, thank you.

To the op sorry for thread jacking.

 

[guanophore]

I cant help you anymore, thank you.

This is not a problem, since you were not providing me with any help in the first place. You have demonstrated that you are unable to answer the questions posed to you.

You have demonstrated that you are unwilling or unable to follow the Apostolic command to give an account of what you believe with gentleness and reverence.

Perhaps being on CAF will help YOU!

 

[feed_me]

I said what I needed to say. Thank you

Jude 1: 9

 

[guanophore]

I said what I needed to say. Thank you

Jude 1: 9

Are you now imploring the Lord to rebuke me?

 

[feed_me]

Jude 1:9…

 

[guanophore]

Jude 1:9…

You are really not good at answering any questions are you? Are you afraid to answer me, or do you really not know how?

 

[adf417]

No, I said you are using Mormon methods to authenticate what you are advocating.

Not just Mormons but also JWs and oneness pentecostals and @feed_me cannot distinguish his truth paradigm from theirs.

Peace!!!