Stubenville course, crime, homosexual deviant

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Dale_M said:
I am not sure about that. Who is “society?” Who decides what is “normal?” I think in a pluralistic nation, such as the US, there is a great number of cultures and sub-cultures which are not in the majority. Is the behavior in those cultural groups deviant?

I agree that a social worker needs to be prepared to work with wide range of clients. But classifying those clients as “deviant” seems a fundamental error which will color both the interpersonal relationship and also the perceptions of the social worker.
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Obviously, it wouldn’t do for a social worker to go around pointing fingers at people and calling them “deviants.” But this is a college course in an academic setting. I’m sure that the Franciscan University social work program emphasizes that all people are to be treated with charity and compassion.

In my college psychology courses, the word “deviant” was used to describe behavior that was outside the norm. 🤷

I understand that the term has some pretty negative connotations from a popular perspective. But I’m trying to think of what else they could call the class. “Non-Normal Behavior”? “Behavior that is not in keeping with the Judeo-Christian Perspective”? “Behavior Engaged in by a Minority of Persons that is Destructive to Society”?
 
The University of Steubenville is a private institution en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan_University_of_Steubenville and can teach the flat earth as truth if it so chooses. Those who get offended can just lump it. :mad:
“The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new, and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths.” – 2 Timothy, 4:3-4
 
fix said:
I believe that is the point. It is about re-engineering truth so that people are forced to accept what is unacceptable.
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Absolutely. Our last two popes (and before, certainly) have been greatly concerned about moral relativism. I read posts by Catholics on these forums from time to time which seem to express a moral relativism point of view. This is at the least, lukewarm and at worst, evidence of delusion by the devil. There is absolute morality, and I see nothing wrong with the Steubenville course description. Just because they list the topics covered in the catalog or course announcement does not mean they are “linking” homosexuality with murder, etc. The thing all of the topics listed have in common is that they are immoral and contrary to natural and divine law! Good for Steubenville!

Parenthetically, I’ve heard that some employers in Southern California toss an employment application as soon as they see “Franciscan University of Steubenville” in the Education section of the app or resume. I’m kind of surprised I got hired as a youth minister, because I am open about my love for the spirituality of Opus Dei and my enrollment with a Cardinal Newman Society-approved school, both of which shout, “traditional, orthodox Catholicism.”

I would love to see more Catholic institutions and individuals take a stand against the permissiveness and moral relativism which seem to be spreading like a cancer within the Church.
 
sedonaman said:
The University of Steubenville is a private institution en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franciscan_University_of_Steubenville and can teach the flat earth as truth if it so chooses. Those who get offended can just lump it. :mad: Ha ha tell us how you really feel, sedonaman! Right on, Brother!!👍
“The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching for anything new, and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth and will turn to myths.” – 2 Timothy, 4:3-4
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So what is the “point” or Focus of this class?

Is it a psychology class? If so then it makes no sense to combine murder, mental illness, rape, and homosexuality in the same context of “deviancy”.

Is it a moral theology class? If so then again, I don’t see how “deviancy” would fit into such a discussion as a common theme.

I suspect this is just a case of “muddy thinking”. Deviancy in this context is being presented as “stuff we don’t like” or “undesirable aspects of life”.

It’s a yearning for a golden age that never existed.
 
Faithdancer said:
Amen, and- Christendom and Ave Maria are Cardinal Newman Society-approved as is Steubenville and as is my school. God bless them all!:highprayer:
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Some would say it’s a bit pompous to put “member of MENSA” on your signature line. 🤷
 
ringil said:
So what is the “point” or Focus of this class?

Is it a psychology class? If so then it makes no sense to combine murder, mental illness, rape, and homosexuality in the same context of “deviancy”.

Is it a moral theology class? If so then again, I don’t see how “deviancy” would fit into such a discussion as a common theme.

I suspect this is just a case of “muddy thinking”. Deviancy in this context is being presented as “stuff we don’t like” or “undesirable aspects of life”.

It’s a yearning for a golden age that never existed.
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“Relativism! Give me relativism or give me FREEDOM!!!”
 
sedonaman said:
We have Black Studies, Feminine Studies, Oppression Studies, etc. Why not Deviancy Studies? … 😛
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The facets they list “murder, rape, homosexuality, mental illness” don’t have a common sociological underpinning to be grouped as “deviant”.

What is deviant? What is the thrust? What is the purpose of the class?

It seems to be a blending of medical, social, biological, and moral facets and calling them “deviant”.

What framework are they using in placing these factors into the same grouping being referred to as “deviant”?
 
ringil said:
The facets they list “murder, rape, homosexuality, mental illness” don’t have a common sociological underpinning to be grouped as “deviant”.

What is deviant? What is the thrust? What is the purpose of the class?

It seems to be a blending of medical, social, biological, and moral facets and calling them “deviant”.

What framework are they using in placing these factors into the same grouping being referred to as “deviant”?
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Deviant = Outside the norm. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
 
ringil said:
The facets they list “murder, rape, homosexuality, mental illness” don’t have a common sociological underpinning to be grouped as “deviant”.

What is deviant? What is the thrust? What is the purpose of the class?

It seems to be a blending of medical, social, biological, and moral facets and calling them “deviant”.

What framework are they using in placing these factors into the same grouping being referred to as “deviant”?
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I thought intellectual freedom allowed them to pursue whatever they wanted in whatever way they chose. If Angela Davis and Noam Chomsky can preach communism, get paid capitalist wages for doing it, and no one complains, then, hey, what’s your beef?
 
I’m suprised that you guys are acting shocked by this news, as if it’s amazing that people were offended about being called sexual deviants. But, I guess if it’s a Christian school then they should be able to teach all kinds of stuff. I’m sure they teach Creationism, too. That offends me, but I’m not going to complain. 🤷
 
sedonaman said:
I thought intellectual freedom allowed them to pursue whatever they wanted in whatever way they chose. If Angela Davis and Noam Chomsky can preach communism, get paid capitalist wages for doing it, and no one complains, then, hey, what’s your beef?
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Someone asked why was I “disappointed”. Certainly Stubenville can have such a class.

Liberty University science classes postulate that the world is 6000 years old and that is their right as well.
 
CopticChristian said:
Ringil,

To be a member of Mensa is what it is. Why is it pompous?
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I am a member of my neighborhood watch. Listing that would have about as much relevance I suppose. I think it’s pompous and I am sure that many would take the same opinion. It’s just an opinion.
 
ringil said:
I am a member of my neighborhood watch. Listing that would have about as much relevance I suppose. I think it’s pompous and I am sure that many would take the same opinion. It’s just an opinion.
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That’s why the “No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express” commericials are funny.
 
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