Student received a book of mormon

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Okay, give the giver of the BoM the benefit of the doubt, I would, but that’s irrelevant to the situation. I agree, be kind to his friend-- BUT does that mean youc an’t point out how you believe MormonISM is a flawed religion and what the BoM is from a Catholic (or whatever) perspective?
The problem here is quite simple: A protestant would certainly think that catholicism is a flawed religion. And a catholic would certainly think that protestantism is also a flawed faith. What to do with flaws? However, stressing the positives and negatives would be the way to go. But to only stress flaws would only sow distaste and misunderstandings. And certainly not wellbeing between peoples.
 
I don’t think you understand what anyone here is talking about or. No one is disparaging anything. It is called telling the truth. Please tell the truth about the Rosary too. I don’t mind that at all.

Peace!
Telling the truth from a bias point of view just may be disparaging. How can it be otherwise? Telling the truth about what? What is the truth? That mormonism is a flawed religion? For whom? Not for mormons and not for most people. It is just a religion. Now we all could point to other faiths and say, lo…that faith is flawed. But in the end, it will achieve very little.
 
Telling the truth from a bias point of view just may be disparaging. How can it be otherwise? Telling the truth about what? What is the truth? That mormonism is a flawed religion? For whom?
For Catholics. If a Catholic is trying to raise a well-formed Catholic child, what sense does it make to tell the child that Mormon beliefs are equal to Catholic beliefs?
 
Hey,
A grade 6 student of mine in the catechism class I am helping out in was telling me about this book someone gave him. Well, yesterday he brought it in and it is a book of mormon with a note inside from the persons who gave it to him.

I told him that i didn’t recommend he read the book, but read his bible instead. I would like to give him some information about Joseph Smith and the mormon church (from a Catholic perspective) at a level that a grade 6 would understand. I think the text at catholic.com may be too advanced.

Any links or help would be appreciated.

Thanks and God bless
Tell him to take it to his parents. If the book was given to him by a friend, he should say thank you—and not read it until and unless his parents encourage it or he is old enough to make his own choices in the matter.

You can depend that information you give him about the CoJCoLDS will be inaccurate on some level. It won’t be your intent; but you will. It won’t be any more possible for you to be absolutely accurate about what our beliefs are than it would be for me to give the proper information about Catholicism to someone bringing a Douay bible to Seminary. I would not try.

So…I’d just say 'that’s nice…what do your folks think about it?" and let it go.

If, of course, his folks are the ones who gave him the book, then your priest should be talking to THEM.
 
Mormons will argue that revelation is ongoing, but what they won’t tell you is that Mr. Young considered his sermons to be scripture:
I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of man, that they may not call Scripture (ibid., 13:95).
Perhaps you were not aware of the context and would appreciate increased understanding. I’m certain that you would not deliberately take quote out of context in a thread dedicated to helping a teacher of the young give accurate information about someone’s faith.

Here is the context of the quote, emphasis mine:
Brigham Young:
Well, brethren and sisters, try and be Saints. I will try; I have tried many years to live according to the law which the Lord reveals unto me. I know just as well what to teach this people and just what to say to them and what to do in order to bring them into the celestial kingdom, as I know the road to my office. It is just as plain and easy. The Lord is in our midst. He teaches the people continually.(here is where you begin your quote) I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture (now kindly pay attention to the actual, y’know, CONTEXT…) ***Let me have the privilege of correcting a sermon, and it is as good Scripture as they deserve. ***The people have the oracles of God continually. In the days of Joseph, revelation was given and written, and the people were driven from city to city and place to place, until we were led into these mountains. Let this [discourse] go to the people with "Thus saith the Lord," and if they do not obey it, you will see the chastening hand of the Lord upon them. But if they are plead with, and led along like children, we may come to understand the will of the Lord and He may preserve us as we desire." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, Page 95)
Please note two rather important qualifications that Pres. Young mentions here: first, he reserves the right to correct a sermon once preached; to go over the transcript. It is to be noted that even though most of his sermons are recorded, he was not able to do this with all of them, and ironically, he wasn’t able to do this with ANY of the speeches in the Journal of Discourses. They were transcribed and sent to England, where they were published without any (name removed by moderator)ut or corrections from the speakers. Interesting circular problem with that, isn’t there? 😉

Secondly, he has to identify them as scripture…his words have to go out with the 'Thus saith the Lord" part. For us, that means canonization, and even though the canon is NOT closed for us, it’s still not all that easy to get something put in the Doctrine and Covenants (the book that represents our open canon; the Bible, the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price are done already.)

So…you want Brigham Young’s words that are ***scripture ***according to *HIS *estimation as well as ours? You will find them in the Doctrine and Covenants, and that’s the only place you will find them.
 
Probably true. I doubt a 6th grader will get past the first page, just a guess.
I rather think that if it was given to him by a friend, he probably won’t get past “I, Nephi, being born of goodly parents…” and any aghast reaction a teacher has will only give him incentive to find out what the horrible truth about it IS.

Which would of course be good for US (the Mormons…) but isn’t exactly what a catechism teacher might want.

…and the above statement is flippant. It wouldn’t be what we would want.
  1. No twelve year old should be doing this without the approval of his parents.The teacher should refer him to them.
  2. If he HAS the approval of his parents, a teacher would be well advised to stay out of it; tell your priest, let family counseling handle it. Does any teacher really want to get between a student and his parents? NOT a good idea.
Either way, the teacher should say 'that’s nice…now, what was it we were talking about in regard to Mary?" and redirect the conversation to the information he needs to know about his OWN faith.

If the kid asks questions and insists upon answers from the teacher, then it really, truly IS the time to bump it to the parents.

Or, if he insists, get the information from lds.org. When the child asks questions, answer them according to what HE is asking, not what the teacher thinks he is asking.

I am reminded of the old story about the kid who came up and asked his mother where he came from. Mom took a deep breath, and gave him ‘the talk.’

At the end of it, he looked at her and said “Wow. I just wanted to know if we came from Milwaukee.”

Pay attention to what is really being asked, not what you are afraid is being asked.
 
Diana, CoJCoLDS, please explain the meaning of the letters.
Abbreviation: the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is the largest denomination of “Mormons,” and the one from whom most Mormons come. We sometimes shorten that even further to “LDS” for “Latter-day Saint.”

We are ALSO Mormons…not all Mormons are Latter-day Saints. Latter-day Saints are NOT polygamous. The CoJCoLDS is the group that builds all the temples, have the vast majority of the people (about 14 million) and are based out of Salt Lake City, Utah.
 
I rather think that if it was given to him by a friend, he probably won’t get past “I, Nephi, being born of goodly parents…” and any aghast reaction a teacher has will only give him incentive to find out what the horrible truth about it IS.

Which would of course be good for US (the Mormons…) but isn’t exactly what a catechism teacher might want.

…and the above statement is flippant. It wouldn’t be what we would want.
  1. No twelve year old should be doing this without the approval of his parents.The teacher should refer him to them.
  2. If he HAS the approval of his parents, a teacher would be well advised to stay out of it; tell your priest, let family counseling handle it. Does any teacher really want to get between a student and his parents? NOT a good idea.
Either way, the teacher should say 'that’s nice…now, what was it we were talking about in regard to Mary?" and redirect the conversation to the information he needs to know about his OWN faith.

If the kid asks questions and insists upon answers from the teacher, then it really, truly IS the time to bump it to the parents.

Or, if he insists, get the information from lds.org. When the child asks questions, answer them according to what HE is asking, not what the teacher thinks he is asking.

I am reminded of the old story about the kid who came up and asked his mother where he came from. Mom took a deep breath, and gave him ‘the talk.’

At the end of it, he looked at her and said “Wow. I just wanted to know if we came from Milwaukee.”

Pay attention to what is really being asked, not what you are afraid is being asked.
Hi

I think that is the right approach.

Thanks
 
Mormons do not find people young and tender. End of story. This boy was in the 6th grade. I have no idea who gave him the book of mormon. It could of been a friend. Or he might not have happened at all. We only have a poster’s word for it.
Please tell us about baseball baptisms.
 
Therefore, behold, I will hedge up thy way with thorns, and make a wall, that she shall not find her paths. (Hosea 2:6)

Now look up the Hebrew for your answer.

Try to share something nice and look what happens…very sad that it did not touch your heart.

Do the Psalms of David give you the same reaction?

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You know the difference between the “Psalm of Nephi” and the Psalms attributed to David is that…

David actually existed.

in Christ
Steph
 
Anything under 25 is young and tender, and, as usual, the Mormon posters have ignored my request for an explanation.
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I suppose when we die, the truth that is in the "eye of the beholder", and objective truth will meet.  Exhorting someone to Jesus Christ and His virtues of humility and charity seem a pretty safe path to me. 

An honest and sincere Mormon who couldn't have known better is one thing.  Another playing mind games to convert one against their will so they can get brownie points in their church is another altogether.  

 If another little boy gave this child the book; believe me his elders will be back to try and cash in.  And they won't be waiting until he is thirty.
 
Anything under 25 is young and tender, and, as usual, the Mormon posters have ignored my request for an explanation.
Anyone over the age of 18 is old enough to marry, sign contracts, vote and serve in the military; to kill and die for our country. Anyone over the age of 21 is old enough to drink, gamble and smoke.

We send our nineteen year old men out to be missionaries, and we send our 21 year old women out to be missionaries. Your definition of ‘young and tender,’ then, is a little…odd.
I suppose when we die, the truth that is in the “eye of the beholder”, and objective truth will meet. Exhorting someone to Jesus Christ and His virtues of humility and charity seem a pretty safe path to me.
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An honest and sincere Mormon who couldn't have known better is one thing.  Another playing mind games to convert one against their will so they can get brownie points in their church is another altogether.  

 If another little boy gave this child the book; believe me his elders will be back to try and cash in.  And they won't be waiting until he is thirty.
A: the ‘little boy’ is twelve.
B: if a friend gave it to him, no Elder is going to go NEAR him without his parents being RIGHT THERE.
C: you are quite a piece of work, bub.
 
Ok, I am always learning something new on this forum. I see that the question of “basketball and baseball baptisms” has not been answered. I have never heard of such a thing and would like to know the answer. Please?
 
A: the ‘little boy’ is twelve.
B: if a friend gave it to him, no Elder is going to go NEAR him without his parents being RIGHT THERE.
C: you are quite a piece of work, bub.
On the “Mormons Have My Child” forum, we have dozens of brokenhearted parents whose children (often well under 18) were lured to the homes of LDS neighbors and introduced to the LDS cult (usually by attractive opposite-sex LDS). These neighbors love-bombed the kids (in secret without the parents knowledge of course), told the kids that their parents were “unworthy”, that their parents don’t really love them or else they would have been sealed to them for eternity. Then they were introduced to the missionaries. These kids were encouraged to call the LDS neighbors “mom and dad”, and to become estranged from their real parents. By the time the real parents found out what was going on, it was too late - the child had been completely brainwashed. Even if the kids could not get baptized until age 18, the damage was done and they self-identified as Mormons and rejected and condemned their real families as “unworthy” and “apostate”.

The “family-centered” LDS religion routinely breaks up families. It is a horrible, dishonest and ubiquitous practice among the LDS. All the TBM LDS here know about this practice and condone it, but of course none will admit it.

Paul
 
The “family-centered” LDS religion routinely breaks up families. It is a horrible, dishonest and ubiquitous practice among the LDS. All the TBM LDS here know about this practice and condone it, but of course none will admit it.

Paul
I have had mormon missionaries on my doorstep several times. Of those times, two were specifically asking for my daughter by name. Once when she was 10, and again when she was 16.

When she was 16 a co-worker at a teen summer-type job gave her a BoM. My daughter expressed no interest in mormonism. My daughter said thank you, brought it home, and asked me what she should do with it. I told her I’d put in the recycle bin. She kept it but has not read it.

A couple of days later, the mormon missionaries showed up, asking for her by name. I told them very explicitly they were not going to talk to her. As usual, the mormon missionaries do not take no for an answer. They told me how she had expressed interest in mormonism and they were there to tell her about it.

I was fit to be tied. But I kept my cool and stayed polite, just kept telling them there is no interest until they finally left.

I asked her later if she wanted to talk to the mormon missionaries, and she became the one who was fit to be tied. She was pissed. The reason she quit that particular summer job was to get away from this mormon girl who wouldn’t leave her alone about religion.

So whatever all you lying mormons. All of us have experiences where you target our children.
 
Ok, I am always learning something new on this forum. I see that the question of “basketball and baseball baptisms” has not been answered. I have never heard of such a thing and would like to know the answer. Please?
It sometimes happens. It shouldn’t.

It’s a ‘social’ conversion; where a young person becomes a member of a team or group–and everybody else in that team or group is a member of a specific religion (or group). So the one ‘left out’ wants to join.

If that group has a ‘clean’ reputation, if the parents see that they are a ‘good’ influence on the kid…if the kid is insistant…and if the kid’s family does not have a strong faith of their own, the kid will join the main group.

It’s not a phenomenon restricted to Mormons by any means. I’ve seen it happen to Baptists, Methodists, church and social groups of all kinds and yes, even Catholics.

It is frowned upon, but it happens. They are joining for the wrong reason.

Diana
 
On the “Mormons Have My Child” forum, we have dozens of brokenhearted parents whose children (often well under 18) were lured to the homes of LDS neighbors and introduced to the LDS cult (usually by attractive opposite-sex LDS). These neighbors love-bombed the kids (in secret without the parents knowledge of course), told the kids that their parents were “unworthy”,
No. That does NOT happen. Ever. It is so completely against what we teach about family that I’m calling you on it. No.

Doesn’t happen.
that their parents don’t really love them or else they would have been sealed to them for eternity. Then they were introduced to the missionaries. These kids were encouraged to call the LDS neighbors “mom and dad”, and to become estranged from their real parents.
No.

No. That does NOT happen. Ever. It is so completely against what we teach about family that I’m calling you on it. No.

If it ever actually DID happen, the bishop and all around would be on the offending family like white on rice.
By the time the real parents found out what was going on, it was too late - the child had been completely brainwashed. Even if the kids could not get baptized until age 18, the damage was done and they self-identified as Mormons and rejected and condemned their real families as “unworthy” and “apostate”.
No.

No. That does NOT happen. Ever. It is so completely against what we teach about family that I’m calling you on it. No.

If it ever actually DID happen, the bishop and all around would be on the offending family like white on rice.
The “family-centered” LDS religion routinely breaks up families. It is a horrible, dishonest and ubiquitous practice among the LDS. All the TBM LDS here know about this practice and condone it, but of course none will admit it.

Paul
No.

No. That does NOT happen. Ever. It is so completely against what we teach about family that I’m calling you on it. No.

If it ever actually DID happen, the bishop and all around would be on the offending family like white on rice.

And you are quite right. None of us here will admit it…just as you would not admit that you went out last night and stole all the tools from your neighbor’s shed, dug up his tree and transplanted it into your backyard, built a treehouse in it and then sued him for defacing the neighborhood with the hole in his property.

But I mean, there it is,

of COURSE you are going to deny it, aren’t you?

There you go. That’s proof right there. Now go put that tree back.
 
So whatever all you lying mormons. All of us have experiences where you target our children.
if there was a misunderstanding with your daughter’s friend, I’m sorry. You handled it exactly right.

Notice, however, that the missionaries did talk to YOU, and not to her.

Notice, however, that they did not go behind your back.

Notice, however, that your very experience proves that we aren’t the ones lying here.
 
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