Bean dip … especially when it’s by people in a leadership role of society, like teachers are.
Er… there are large amounts of children killing themselves everyday due to bullying. Children with homosexual tendancies are a target, yes, but so are lots of other kids. I’ve known plenty of kids who were driven to suicidal thoughts because of bullying and none of them were homosexual.
I was speaking specifically of expulsions by rulers in the Middle ages. Your source does not contradict what I said. I did not say, and neither do I think, that Jews and Christians were well treated in Muslim societies. I oppose theocracies and established religions. They are bad now, and they were bad then. I raised the issue in the context of chritisns pretentsions to an extensive history of tolerance. Your source, by the way, quotes Bernard Lewis who is worth a Google if you are going to rely on him.
From the original articles I’ve read on this forum and other sites he did start it. 1) The teachers asked a girl to remove her confederate belt buckle. 2) The kid in question said why and wanted to know how the Confederate flag differed from the Gay flag. 3) Teacher explained the difference. 4) Kid blurts out "I don’t accept gays. 5) Teacher says that not appropriate to say which is true for countless reasons not the least of which being a) this is economics class, b) you’re probably/hopefully in the minority in a public school and it might cause trouble for you with the other students later, c) this isn’t church and you’re not in the pulpit and my personal favorite: d) no one asked you your opinion.
Why single out homosexuals? Why not oppose ALL bullying? And it most certainly looks like at this schools it is those who adhere to the teachings of our Church who are beng “bullied”
As opposed to a teacher who’s delicate sensibilites were offended by a Confederate Flag belt buckle and threw out of class anyone who did not share his views on homosexuality-none of which, BTW, has anythng to do with econimics, which is what he was hired to teach
Acknowldeging the sinfullness of homosexual behavior is not homophobic.
As none of us were there we won’t ever REALLY know the truth. We’ll just get biased news from either side. Somewhere in between is the truth.
The problem is a students or teachers opinion on homosexual behavior is totally irelevant to the stated mission of a school To educate our children.
Absolutely. Which is why I said both were in the wrong.
The inability of liberal arts domains to produce a useful social product in anything like the amounts generated by the study of nature * has caused the humanities and social “sciences” to seek them instead through affiliation with what they believe to be deserving [political] movements and causes [namely, feminism and homosexuality], each in need of intellectual justification and defense. If the much sought-after “diversity” were indeed “our strength”, it would need no such defense or support; the people would “embrace” it without being coerced. This coercion is facilitated by the expansion of victimhood. A good example is the campus rape myth. The campus rape industry’s central tenet is that one-quarter of all college girls will be raped or be the targets of attempted rape by the end of their college years. The actual study that led to this conclusion produced disappointing results, so the definition of rape had to be change to, you guessed it!, increase the incidence of “rape”. One case recently reached the absurd when the local authorities not only dropped the charges but issued an arrest warrant for the false accuser. Never mind the facts of the case, the alleged perpetrator was guilty ipso facto, so he was expelled by his school. All this is to address a non-problem so the federal dollars can continue to flow to a bloated and expanding bureaucracy.
There is already a day to oppose all bullying. It’s called Pink Shirt day. As I said before, Spirit Day was to draw focus to a specific issue that seemed to be spiraling out of control this past year. There is no harm in honing in on a smaller issue within a larger one.
To even begin to compare this situation to the torment that truly bullied children, gay or otherwise endure on a daily basis is shameful.
I think you should probably look at the history of Howell, (A town that in 2005 auctioned off a Klan outfit on MLK day. A town that in 2006 hired its first black principal for a school that was in the process of being built. And who’s citizens upon hearing the news kept their children from registering prompting fears there wouldn’t be a high enough enrollment. The tactic worked and the principal was fired. A town with the pee wee football coach who told a child; Mexicans belong on the field but not the football field. A town where black state trooper got attacked at a bar for dancing with a white woman. It’s active Klan country, heck, some of these people were still burning crosses on lawns as recently as the 90’s) before you sit there and try and tell me that wearing that belt buckle was nothing more than a fashion statement. Wearing that belt buckle, in that town, on that day was as loaded a statement as there ever could be. You can choose to ignore that if you like. That girl knew what she was doing and so did Glowacki.
Nope, still is.
Should the student have taken the Fifth? After all, he WAS asked his opinion.
If he offered his opinion without being directly asked … then he was in the wrong.
I guess you didn’t read the lawsuit.If he offered his opinion without being directly asked … then he was in the wrong.
If he offered his opinion after being asked an unrelated question - then he was in the wrong.
If he offered his opinion after being directly asked by the teacher - then he wasn’t in the wrong.
But we don’t know what really happened so it’s easier to just say they’re both in the wrong and stop speculating.
Oh, I did… people are arguing that’s not how it went down.
I say, we weren’t there so we can’t know.Can you provide a source for this, the only apparent fact in your lengthy post?
So what about the second student kicked out of the classroom? His offense was to raise his hand when the teacher asked if anyone else didn’t support gays.
howellschools.com/news.cfm?story=87857&school=0
Thanks for the update Looks like the District admits the teacher was wrong. Good for them
If the teacher was intent on discussing the topic of homosexuality in class instead of economics, he might have transformed this event from a case of civil-rights infringement into a discussion about politics and morality. According to the link, as I understand it, the whole incident was triggered by the teacher’s telling another student to remove his confederate belt buckle since it offended him. It was at that point when the student who opposed homosexuality based on his religious convictions protested that the teacher was being hypocritical. If the teacher had better teaching skills, he might have converted this into a teachable moment regarding freedom of speech in areas such as religion and dress as they relate to moral issues. Instead, he chose to give the class a very different lesson: one of intolerance toward those who do not think the way we do.