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You can play it like a card game, heart game, brain game or offer it to God in prayer. Vote so it counts. Don’t throw the chance away.
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I’m a women and very strongly believe abortion is a woman thing.
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nodito
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Thank you, I intend to.
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nodito
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I’m a woman also. How is it a woman thing?
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Deus_tecum
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My study and conscience say to vote for Trump. Hillary has policies that are contrary to Christian tenets. Moreover she is dishonest, so where she claims to fall somewhat in the middle on certain issues is probably a lie. She seems very self serving, and we know from history that “taxing the rich” ends up as big tax on the middle class. “Taxing the rich” is how she claims she will fund her grand schemes. BTW, allowing no holds barred immigration is NOT the best way to help the poor of other countries. Obama fomented race war. Clinton foments class war. Dividers, the both of them. And fringe candidates have no real chance so I gave up giving a true conscience vote to them. Trump is the better of the 2 main candidates.
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The most recent example? Notice the thousands of polish women? bbc.com/news/world-europe-37540139
It’s always this way.
The greater question?
Where are the other women and men?
I’ll race you to the voting center. Make it count.
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nodito
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I don’t think I’m understanding you.
You believe abortion is “a woman thing” because women turn out to demonstrate in greater numbers than men? I’d be surprised if that were true for the March for Life. It seems to me that because abortion strikes the heart of the family, it also affects men and children as well. Granted, women are uniquely involved in abortion, but I’m quite sure how this translates into abortion being a woman thing, or why it would be worse to have a female pro-choice candidate vs a male pro-choice candidate.
Either way, I think we agree that we need to vote in November.
LeafByNiggle
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And Trump is not? Hillary has spent a lifetime of public service, foregoing what would have been a more lucrative career in private practice. Trump has spent a lifetime enriching himself. Which one again is self-serving?
Straw-man argument, as this is not the position of Clinton or any other politician. And by the way, it is not to help the poor. It is to help those displaced by civil war. True, many of them are poor. But their poverty is not their main problem. The alternative to giving them a place to live is forcing them to continue to live in unsafe refugee camps.
Trump has managed to divide people, not only according to race and class, but he has even managed to divide the Republican Party. I think he wins the “biggest divider” contest hands down.
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livnlern
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Agreed. Not only Hillary but the whole Democratic Party supports Planned Parenthood and wants an end to the Hyde Amendment. It’s written in the Party platform.
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ucfengr
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The problem with the Pope’s exhortation is that we no longer have an objective news media. They are wholly owned subsidiaries of the political establishment existing only to preserve the status quo.
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Al_Moritz
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For starters, look at the USCCB voting guide that states that as Catholics we are not “single-issue voters”. The voting guide is actually very nuanced in all its wording and exposes a lot of grey areas. Of course, for black-and-white thinkers this fact is not obvious. They extract from it only what pleases their mental attitude.
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Among other things, from Pope Francis, who teaches us that most of life is in the gray, and not black or white.
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Certainly true. I know there are people on both sides of the aisle that hoped (and maybe expected) the Pope to support their candidate, but the Pope is staying out of it.
Very wise words from our Pope, and applicable to (I guess) almost all democracies these days. There are no ideal choices. Prayer and discernment are essential.
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zz912
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What a wonderfully condescending and insulting post! Hopefully those of us who believe in right and wrong can one day finally attain the lofty heights of gnostic revelation as the gray-thinkers.
Is it your claim that PF is saying Church teaching isn’t clear? Or is he saying that applying those teachings can be tough some times? Because Church teaching is clear, black and white.
It’s only when you actually have a good understanding of right and wrong that you can accurately discern gray. A person who only knows gray can never lead people into the light.
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TMC
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The Pope has said directly that most of life is gray, not black and white. There is a whole thread dedicated to discussing those comments.
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Michael_Mayo
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While we are waiting for President Trump to maybe appoint a supreme court justice who then might get a case involving abortion rights in which he or she will maybe have opportunity to actually have an impact, what will he be doing about situations in the middle east, China, Russia, and North Korea? Does he even have a clue?
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Ridgerunner
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I don’t see how he could possibly do worse than what we have seen in the last eight years.
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Ridgerunner
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I would want to see the context of this.
On a certain level, of course it’s true. Is VLO a better investment than CAT? No certitude to that. Should I work 60 hours a week to send my children to college, or should I spend more time at home with them and let them fend for themselves after high school? Gray.
But if we think the Pope doesn’t think abortion is black and white, or that the Real Presence is black and white, then we think the Pope isn’t Catholic. The teachings of the Church are not “advisory”. They are held to be objective truth, and what I think about them does not make them more true or less true.
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The context was the discernment required by priests in the confessional. Again, there is a whole thread on the topic. But my point is that, as the Pope tells us in several contexts, much of life is “in the gray” and requires thought, prayer and discernment. Life is not a series of obvious black and white choices.
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IsaiahSpirit
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Obama appointed about 200 progressive judges.
If HC gets in we are looking at decades of progressive judges not only upholding legalized murder of tiny boys and girls by the thousands, torn limb from limb; but undoing protections that were hard fought to win. There is no electable candidate to help stem the tide of progressivism. Its easy to say it doesn’t matter; but the weight of it, is immense. I don’t know the future, but if she gets in, there will be more attacks on religious liberty with more progressive judges upholding those attacks.
I’m neither republican or democrat but can plainly see the judicial branch for one thing is in dire straits. I don’t like DT, but HC will be by her own witness and words opposed to more natural moral law effecting many more people; and she will have the power to put those things in place.
All in history, when in times like ours, the prophets were not the popular ones. An example would be John Cardinal O’Conner.
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