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Matthew 24:24 “for false Christs and false prophets will arise and provide great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the elect, if that were possible.”
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worldcitizen
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The spec might be in our own eye.
First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly .(Mat 7:5)
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worldcitizen
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If one knows the history of Islam then one knows that all commands to fight were in self defense to protect the Muslims from genocide. Anyone of any faith or,no faith that tried to exterminate the entire Muslim community like Hitler did the Jews was fair game.
The innocent even the idol worshippers were allowed free passage and full,rights if they did not attack. The,Quran only permitted attacking if first attacked see Sura 2:190
Attack not first God loves not such injustice.
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Techno2000
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I see you have use our Scriptures to rebuke me… let me guess you’re a Baha’i too ?
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TonyBS
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After Jesus God again allowed Defence of ones Faith and after Muhammad as promised, the Father Baha’u’llah has instructed we now beat our sowrds into plowshares and learn war no more.
Man has rejected the Kingdom.of God on Earth that is unfolding, thus these times are of our making. All foretold and Written.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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All this means Servant19… is that St. John the Baptist would look, and act like Elijah… and God would give him the same kind of… “power and spirit”… Elijah had.
The Testimony of John
This is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”
And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed,** “I am not the Christ.”**
They asked him, “What then?** Are you Elijah?”** And he * said, “I am not.” “Are you
the Prophet?” And he answered,** “No.”**
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Catechism of the Catholic Church 2074 "Jesus says: "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing."33 The fruit referred to in this saying is the holiness of a life made fruitful by union with Christ. When we believe in Jesus Christ, partake of his mysteries, and keep his commandments, the Savior himself comes to love, in us, his Father and his brethren, our Father and our brethren. His person becomes, through the Spirit, the living and interior rule of our activity. “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
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JimmyDFG
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It also has been foretold by Nostradamus
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TonyBS
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Personally I would use this scripture as a reminder and to me it is never offered as a rebuke. If one does not think it applies to them, then pride has already won
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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There will be no further Revelation**
"The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.
Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a1.htm
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TonyBS
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Nostradamus was an interesting person, but I was referring to the Bible (Old & new testament), the Koran and the Baha’i Writings, These being the recorded Word of God, they can not be faulted
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Deuteronomy 18:22 “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follows not, nor comes to pass, that is, the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him”.
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Jeremiah 28:9, “The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.”
Thus with but this one sign of True prophets,Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah have Fulfilled the Biblical requirements.
If you study Islam and the Koran, you will note this is the case. Given the state of the world today it would appear, we as Humanity have a lot to learn about all the Holy Books of God.
God Bess and Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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The Catholic Church does not accept… The Koran and Baha’i Writings as the Word of God.Nostradamus was an interesting person, but I was referring to the Bible (Old & new testament), the Koran and the Baha’i Writings, These being the recorded Word of God, they can not be faulted
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs…m/p1s1c2a1.htm
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TonyBS
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I would agree it is now time "to grasp its full significance’. Great thing about the Koran and the Baha’i Writings is they do not need to Surpass or correct the Word of God as this Word is Eternal, but as Christ said “I have more to say unto you”. Thus who are we to say Christ has no more to say.
What history has proven and always does need correction, is how man has Interpreted the word an applied it to Revelations that come after. Best example is jews rejecting Christ and it must be considered if the Christians have now rejected all that they were expecting.
Matthew 7:7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened". a wonderful meditation.
God Bless and Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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A Jew does not except the New Testament, but that does not stop it being the Word of God
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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If the Catholic Church would accept all these different religious teachings from around the World… then the Gates of Hell would prevail.
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I don’t know what this thread is even about anymore, but with regards to the original question, I agree that trying to understand world events just by reading the Quran is foolish. It is like trying to understand The Troubles or the Crusades by reading the Bible. Nothing can be explained by only one text.
To make things more difficult, reading and interpreting are very different. Unless you know exactly how each of the actors interprets the text (bearing in mind that they likely read it in a different language than you), it’s not very helpful.
The bottom line is that there are tons of local and regional issues at play that have nothing or little to do with religion, and even the Muslim religion itself can’t be completely understood only by reading the Quran.
To make things more difficult, reading and interpreting are very different. Unless you know exactly how each of the actors interprets the text (bearing in mind that they likely read it in a different language than you), it’s not very helpful.
The bottom line is that there are tons of local and regional issues at play that have nothing or little to do with religion, and even the Muslim religion itself can’t be completely understood only by reading the Quran.
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Techno2000
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But this Statement isn’t coming from the Jews… it’s coming from the Catholic Church.A Jew does not except the New Testament, but that does not stop it being the Word of God
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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Bill it is 100% relevant to the comment in the first line of the OP
“I named my post after an article by Daniel Pipes,in which he basically argues against reading the Qur’an in order to understand certain current events”.
From the thoughts in this original post, the point is being continually offered that all differences arise if we do not accept the Oneness of God and then look for it within Gods Religions.
If we accept the Koran is from God, then the differences are erased and the reason for the world as it now, is becomes apparent.
Regards Tony
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Techno2000
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**Vatican II document Nostra Aetate:
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim, Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6) in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to himself.**
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim, Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6) in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to himself.**
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TonyBS
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This Techno2000 is how we will move forward in the Love of God, a ‘Unity in Diversity’
What will help, is if each do learn about each other and that Unity in God is indeed the aim of the Books.
Regards Tony
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