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“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” Number 13 of Imam “Al-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths.”

You might of noticed the “brother” in there. If we look for the meaning of “brother” in islam …

"The meaning of “brother” in Islam
The word brother is used in two ways in Bukhari. The first meaning is an actual blood brother, sharing the same mother or father. The second meaning is another Muslim.

There are a total of 209 hadiths that refer to the word “brother” and of these 96 refer to being a blood brother. This leaves 209 – 96 = 113 hadiths about spiritual brotherhood.

This work is important since it means that pseudo-Golden Rule hadiths that say a Muslim is to love his brother does not apply to kafirs. Hence, the hadith is not a true Golden Rule, which is to treat ALL others as a brother. The kafir is outside the pseudo-Golden Rule. In Islam the Golden Rule is restricted to other Muslims."

cspipublishing.com/statistical/TrilogyStats/meaning_of_brother.html

This brotherhood however does not extend to everyone. quran 9:23 states that the believers should not take for friends and protectors. “O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers”

. A clear example that Islam is not based on the Golden Rule is the verse (48:29) It says: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
That just shows you get what you are looking for, try this one

islam.ru/en/content/story/golden-rule-islam

The Golden Rule is a foundation of all Religion, thus do you wish that people go look for negative posts re Christianity?

By The Golden Rule of Christianity it appears this is The case by your post. 😉

Regards Tony
 
“None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” Number 13 of Imam “Al-Nawawi’s Forty Hadiths.”

You might of noticed the “brother” in there. If we look for the meaning of “brother” in islam …

"The meaning of “brother” in Islam
The word brother is used in two ways in Bukhari. The first meaning is an actual blood brother, sharing the same mother or father. The second meaning is another Muslim.

There are a total of 209 hadiths that refer to the word “brother” and of these 96 refer to being a blood brother. This leaves 209 – 96 = 113 hadiths about spiritual brotherhood.

This work is important since it means that pseudo-Golden Rule hadiths that say a Muslim is to love his brother does not apply to kafirs. Hence, the hadith is not a true Golden Rule, which is to treat ALL others as a brother. The kafir is outside the pseudo-Golden Rule. In Islam the Golden Rule is restricted to other Muslims."

cspipublishing.com/statistical/TrilogyStats/meaning_of_brother.html

This brotherhood however does not extend to everyone. quran 9:23 states that the believers should not take for friends and protectors. “O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers”

. A clear example that Islam is not based on the Golden Rule is the verse (48:29) It says: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.”
Hi Jimmy (brother???)

Sura 9:23 like many Sura translations in English is an incomplete translation of the word friend. The word translated ‘friend’ in that passage is incorrect. In the original Arabic Quran the term friend in that verse means 'political allies and to follow the same moral code. In other words not to affiliate politically or morally but association and friendship are permitted. The Covenant of Muhammad to the Christians speak so highly of Christians that He says if they are harmed in any way Muslims are to be expelled from their Faith. Try and obtain a copy if you can. I have it on Kindle iPad app.

So sura 9:23 if you read many different English translations you will find ‘allies’ not friends translated correctly. It is those mistranslations which are used to attack Islam on various websites but quoting a few other translations clears the matter up so have a look at other English translations don’t take my word for it.

Sura 48:29 is again a sura taken out of context by most to try and imply what it doesn’t imply.
The entire Quran tells Muslims to turn away and fight those ‘who attack and oppress thrm first’ not friends and allies see sura 2:190. The term ‘unbelievers’ in the Quran is overly respectful because it is referring to attackers, oppressors, murderers, serial rapists and barbarous behaviour not your average blue collar New York office worker.

We must look at the,Quran what environment it came to. The Arabian Peninsula was a violent unruly place where the first born, if it was a girl, was buried in the sand alive. Refer to history of that time. Don’t take my word for these things. It was a place of barbaric crime.

If you read the Covenants of Muhammad to the Christians you will see just how much Christians are not only seen as sincere but how Muhammad expected them to be treated. He told Muslims to help Christians build their churches!!!

But after Muhammad died and the Umayyaids and Abbasids got a hold of power they used His religion to conquer and destroy for wealth and power against the Quran. They used and made up ‘sayings’ or Hadiths to whip up war and it is these violent Hadiths which form no true part of Islam and must be destroyed for Islam to be cleansed.

Muslims are told even to do good to those they capture in war and they can marry them too.

And do good unto your parents, and near of kin, and unto orphans, and the needy, and the neighbour from among your own people, and the neighbour who is a stranger,and the friend by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom you rightfully possess.
 
Hi Jimmy (brother???)

Sura 9:23 like many Sura translations in English is an incomplete translation of the word friend. The word translated ‘friend’ in that passage is incorrect. In the original Arabic Quran the term friend in that verse means 'political allies and to follow the same moral code. In other words not to affiliate politically or morally but association and friendship are permitted. The Covenant of Muhammad to the Christians speak so highly of Christians that He says if they are harmed in any way Muslims are to be expelled from their Faith. Try and obtain a copy if you can. I have it on Kindle iPad app.

So sura 9:23 if you read many different English translations you will find ‘allies’ not friends translated correctly. It is those mistranslations which are used to attack Islam on various websites but quoting a few other translations clears the matter up so have a look at other English translations don’t take my word for it.

Sura 48:29 is again a sura taken out of context by most to try and imply what it doesn’t imply.
The entire Quran tells Muslims to turn away and fight those ‘who attack and oppress thrm first’ not friends and allies see sura 2:190. The term ‘unbelievers’ in the Quran is overly respectful because it is referring to attackers, oppressors, murderers, serial rapists and barbarous behaviour not your average blue collar New York office worker.

We must look at the,Quran what environment it came to. The Arabian Peninsula was a violent unruly place where the first born, if it was a girl, was buried in the sand alive. Refer to history of that time. Don’t take my word for these things. It was a place of barbaric crime.

If you read the Covenants of Muhammad to the Christians you will see just how much Christians are not only seen as sincere but how Muhammad expected them to be treated. He told Muslims to help Christians build their churches!!!

But after Muhammad died and the Umayyaids and Abbasids got a hold of power they used His religion to conquer and destroy for wealth and power against the Quran. They used and made up ‘sayings’ or Hadiths to whip up war and it is these violent Hadiths which form no true part of Islam and must be destroyed for Islam to be cleansed.

Muslims are told even to do good to those they capture in war and they can marry them too.

And do good unto your parents, and near of kin, and unto orphans, and the needy, and the neighbour from among your own people, and the neighbour who is a stranger,and the friend by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom you rightfully possess.
When studying the quran one should keep in mind the meaning of word or words.
You say “Sura 48:29 is again a sura taken out of context by most to try and imply what it doesn’t imply.
The entire Quran tells Muslims to turn away and fight those ‘who attack and oppress thrm first’ not friends and allies see sura 2:190. The term ‘unbelievers’ in the Quran is overly respectful because it is referring to attackers, oppressors, murderers, serial rapists and barbarous behaviour not your average blue collar New York office worker.”

But your word “attack” and if we look up the word “attacker” in islam terms its…
Who is an attacker?
According to the jurists an attacker (Muharib) is one who carries weapons; like sword, spear, dagger, gun, wood, stone etc. to frighten the Muslims and rob them of their wealth or shed their blood. It is immaterial whether he does it alone or with a group of people or whether he succeeds in his aim or not. That is, whether people get frightened or not, or whether he takes their wealth or not, whether he kills them or not, if he carries a weapon he is an attacker. And it makes no difference whether he is on the seas or land, in a city and a crowded place, or in a desert like a wanderer; or whether he carries the weapon during day or at night and whether he enters the Muslims’ houses forcefully and attacks them, in all cases he is a Muharib (attacker)

Creating mischief in the land and disturbing peace or spreading fear or using weapons to kill or threaten people makes one an attacker.
In short a Muharib is one who attacks the life and property of Muslims using weapons and one who destroys peace and harmony.

Can the Golden Rule be seen in verse such as these…

Sahih International 3:110
“You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah . If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.”

Sahih International 9:30
"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?”
 
Hi Jimmy (brother???)

Sura 9:23 like many Sura translations in English is an incomplete translation of the word friend. The word translated ‘friend’ in that passage is incorrect. In the original Arabic Quran the term friend in that verse means 'political allies and to follow the same moral code. In other words not to affiliate politically or morally but association and friendship are permitted. The Covenant of Muhammad to the Christians speak so highly of Christians that He says if they are harmed in any way Muslims are to be expelled from their Faith. Try and obtain a copy if you can. I have it on Kindle iPad app.

So sura 9:23 if you read many different English translations you will find ‘allies’ not friends translated correctly. It is those mistranslations which are used to attack Islam on various websites but quoting a few other translations clears the matter up so have a look at other English translations don’t take my word for it.

Sura 48:29 is again a sura taken out of context by most to try and imply what it doesn’t imply.
The entire Quran tells Muslims to turn away and fight those ‘who attack and oppress thrm first’ not friends and allies see sura 2:190. The term ‘unbelievers’ in the Quran is overly respectful because it is referring to attackers, oppressors, murderers, serial rapists and barbarous behaviour not your average blue collar New York office worker.

We must look at the,Quran what environment it came to. The Arabian Peninsula was a violent unruly place where the first born, if it was a girl, was buried in the sand alive. Refer to history of that time. Don’t take my word for these things. It was a place of barbaric crime.

If you read the Covenants of Muhammad to the Christians you will see just how much Christians are not only seen as sincere but how Muhammad expected them to be treated. He told Muslims to help Christians build their churches!!!

But after Muhammad died and the Umayyaids and Abbasids got a hold of power they used His religion to conquer and destroy for wealth and power against the Quran. They used and made up ‘sayings’ or Hadiths to whip up war and it is these violent Hadiths which form no true part of Islam and must be destroyed for Islam to be cleansed.

Muslims are told even to do good to those they capture in war and they can marry them too.

And do good unto your parents, and near of kin, and unto orphans, and the needy, and the neighbour from among your own people, and the neighbour who is a stranger,and the friend by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom you rightfully possess.
“But after Muhammad died and the Umayyaids and Abbasids got a hold of power they used His religion to conquer and destroy for wealth and power against the Quran. They used and made up ‘sayings’ or Hadiths to whip up war and it is these violent Hadiths which form no true part of Islam and must be destroyed for Islam to be cleansed.”

If what you say is true. What does that say about islam itself? How could it be that it dramatically chance course after the death of their “prophet”?

If it were from God…could it be chanced that easily?
 
“But after Muhammad died and the Umayyaids and Abbasids got a hold of power they used His religion to conquer and destroy for wealth and power against the Quran. They used and made up ‘sayings’ or Hadiths to whip up war and it is these violent Hadiths which form no true part of Islam and must be destroyed for Islam to be cleansed.”

If what you say is true. What does that say about islam itself? How could it be that it dramatically chance course after the death of their “prophet”?

If it were from God…could it be chanced that easily?
Regardless of breaking into sects, the original Quran always existed.

As far as God’s guidance He can guide whomever He wants. We see Christianity split into over 2,000 denominations but does that mean God’s guidance has been withdrawn? I don’t believe so. I believe God guides the Pope. But I believe God guides those who are pure and sincere not criminals and gangsters posing as religionists.

Isis is a criminal organisation which uses violent fabricated and unsubstantiated Hadiths that could have been made up by anyone, to whip up holy war. They very rarely refer to the Quran and when they do so omit the true context. Muslims know that they are being blamed for the crimes of Isis and it’s so unjust to blame all of Islam and also extremely ignorant.

Anyone who is knowledgeable about Islam knows that these things such as rape, murder, do not originate from it but are either Hadiths or Quran texts quoted out of context to promote wars for wealth and power. Isis are all aabout wealth and power not godliness.
 
Isis is a criminal organisation which uses violent fabricated and unsubstantiated Hadiths that could have been made up by anyone, to whip up holy war. They very rarely refer to the Quran and when they do so omit the true context. Muslims know that they are being blamed for the crimes of Isis and it’s so unjust to blame all of Islam and also extremely ignorant.
The leader of ISIS has a PhD in islamic theology from the University of Baghdad. Many who promote Hamas, the muslim Brotherhood and similar radical groups have similar qualifications. Several leading islamic clerics have been banned recently from European countries and Great Britain for giving incendiary sermons, including Muhamad al-Arefe a university professor from Kind Saud University in Saudi Arabia who also happens to be the imam in the academy mosque of the Saudi navy.
 
The leader of ISIS has a PhD in islamic theology from the University of Baghdad. Many who promote Hamas, the muslim Brotherhood and similar radical groups have similar qualifications. Several leading islamic clerics have been banned recently from European countries and Great Britain for giving incendiary sermons, including Muhamad al-Arefe a university professor from Kind Saud University in Saudi Arabia who also happens to be the imam in the academy mosque of the Saudi navy.
Worldly qualifications mean nothing in the eyes of God.

Muhammad was an illiterate yet kings and professors humble themselves before Him.

God doesn’t teach hate and violence men do. The Quran only teaches self defense no matter what these so called experts may say. They are not gods prophets just ask them. They are just people with an opinion.

The same is true of Christianity. It matters most what JESUS taught not anyone else, so the Catholic Church gets its light from WHO? JESUS of course. No matter what professors and reverends may say your light comes from JESUS.
 
Just out of interest.

How another Faith namely the Zoroastrian religion saved Jesus from being killed at birth and Christianity from being destroyed before even being it was born is a wonderful reflection of truth in all Faiths.

You know the story of the 3 wise men? They were Magi, Zoroastrian priests and astronomers from Persia who read of the prophecies about Jesus in the Zoroastrian Holy Books concerning the birth of Christ and that a star would appear in the heavens when Jesus was to be born??

Matt 2:1-12

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?

Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”

And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That God saw fit to use the Zoroastrian priests to not only prophecy in their religion but in order to save Jesus from being killed by Herod proves that the Zoroastrian Faith was also from God.
 
Just out of interest.

How another Faith namely the Zoroastrian religion saved Jesus from being killed at birth and Christianity from being destroyed before even being it was born is a wonderful reflection of truth in all Faiths.

You know the story of the 3 wise men? They were Magi, Zoroastrian priests and astronomers from Persia who read of the prophecies about Jesus in the Zoroastrian Holy Books concerning the birth of Christ and that a star would appear in the heavens when Jesus was to be born??

Matt 2:1-12

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?

Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him.”

And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

That God saw fit to use the Zoroastrian priests to not only prophecy in their religion but in order to save Jesus from being killed by Herod proves that the Zoroastrian Faith was also from God.
So you believe Jesus to be the Son of God then?
 
Worldly qualifications mean nothing in the eyes of God.

Muhammad was an illiterate yet kings and professors humble themselves before Him.

God doesn’t teach hate and violence men do. The Quran only teaches self defense no matter what these so called experts may say. They are not gods prophets just ask them. They are just people with an opinion.

The same is true of Christianity. It matters most what JESUS taught not anyone else, so the Catholic Church gets its light from WHO? JESUS of course. No matter what professors and reverends may say your light comes from JESUS.
Its those qualifications that they can become imams and spiritual leaders
 
In the Quoran, it would take me some time to list all pertaining to violence, and Muhammed contradicted Christ and His teachings.

In Muhammed’s last battle, he killed, beheaded and had a day marriage.

He violates the 10 commandments. And Christianity is most severely persecuted in various countries through the Middle East and Turkey is preparing now to form a caliphate to resurrect the Ottoman empire. Edgordan has built for himself a 1000 room palace and is already putting the Christian clergy under more control in how they are monetarily supported.
 
Its those qualifications that they can become imams and spiritual leaders
But no Christian can usurp Jesus’s authority so too all the Imams in the world can’t usurp the Quran or Muhammad. But that doesn’t mean they don’t try to or don’t get away with it sometimes.
 
In the Quoran, it would take me some time to list all pertaining to violence, and Muhammed contradicted Christ and His teachings.

In Muhammed’s last battle, he killed, beheaded and had a day marriage.

He violates the 10 commandments. And Christianity is most severely persecuted in various countries through the Middle East and Turkey is preparing now to form a caliphate to resurrect the Ottoman empire. Edgordan has built for himself a 1000 room palace and is already putting the Christian clergy under more control in how they are monetarily supported.
Dear Kathleen,

There are orders and commands issued by God and orders and commands issued by man.

In 1099 when the Christian Crusades slaughtered 10,000’s Muslims in Jersalem who had sought refuge can we honestly say that was the command of Jesus Christ?

Similarly these atrocities were never sanctioned by God in the Quran or by Muhammad but men using or rather misusing the name of a God.

“The Christians gave over their whole hearts to the slaughter, so that not a sucking little male child or female, not even an infant of one year would escape alive the hand of the murderer.”

Study the siege of Jerusalem. It was a massacre. Men, women and children and infants hid in a mosque yet when the attackers found them slaughtered them all.

Now I say, was this slaughter approved of by Jesus? Or the Bible? Same with Muslims slaughters. Despite the Quran only permitting self defense against murderers they played God and still do and there’s slaughter going on between Christians and Muslims to this day. On whose authority God’s or Jesus’s??

Violence and war can never be ascribed to God but rather to man and his lust for power and wealth and land.

If these atrocities were not committed with religious fanaticism then it was cold blooded murder agreed to by people whose teachings say thou shalt not kill.

My point is why always blame God for violence when the hand that holds the sword or gun is a man’s hand?

huffingtonpost.com/jay-rubenstein/massacre-at-jerusalem-109_b_1115003.html?ir=Australia

medievalists.net/2011/01/14/crusaders-massacre-of-jerusalem-was-done-in-cold-blood-not-religious-frenzy-historian-argues/
 
In the Quoran, it would take me some time to list all pertaining to violence, and Muhammed contradicted Christ and His teachings.

In Muhammed’s last battle, he killed, beheaded and had a day marriage.

He violates the 10 commandments. And Christianity is most severely persecuted in various countries through the Middle East and Turkey is preparing now to form a caliphate to resurrect the Ottoman empire. Edgordan has built for himself a 1000 room palace and is already putting the Christian clergy under more control in how they are monetarily supported.
The Book of Revelation Chapter 11 unfolds what was to be, The Times Times and Half a Time, the 42 Months the Three and one Half Days are all the 1260 of revelation, which is the History of the World from Muhammad Hijrah to the year 1260AH.

Which ties into the 2300 years of Daniel when we use the 457 Decree to rebuild the temple. 2300-457+1 to Birth of Christ = 1844AD = 1260AH = 1BE

Why the 457 is the important starting point is that it also Tells exactly of Jesus Message using the 69 and 70 weeks of Daniel.

Thus the Bible has foretold us before all this unfolded so we could heed the warning and mend our ways. We did not…again 😊 🤷

Regards Tony
 
I just checked this and if you type in 1260 on the Islamic calendar it comes up with 1844 as th Christian date.

muslimphilosophy.com/ip/hijri.htm

[22:47]* They challenge you to bring retribution, and GOD never fails to fulfill His prophecy. A day of your Lord is like a thousand of your years.
 
But no Christian can usurp Jesus’s authority so too all the Imams in the world can’t usurp the Quran or Muhammad. But that doesn’t mean they don’t try to or don’t get away with it sometimes.
It is true though what I said is it not??
 
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