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JimmyDFG
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9 out 10 most dangerous countries for a Christian are islamic countries
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rinnie
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I disagree with this, while I guess it would be okay to understand it, would it not be more productive to learn the Religion that you belong to.I would urge people to study the Qur’an and appreciate the historical context of the verses… also in learning more Arabic you can appreciate sister languages such as Hebrew…
Louis Massignon was a Catholic scholar who encouraged Catholics and others to learn more about Islam… He did much to encourage greater understanding in the west of Islam.
Read
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Massignon
Another important scholar who I think understood Islam was Henry Corbin…He had a Christian background and studied in the Sorbonne…
Read more:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Corbin
I’ve never been interested in becoming a Muslim but as a Baha’i it’s important I think to learn more about Islam as a religion becomes most all the early followers of the Bab and Baha’u’llah were Muslims and there are many references to Islam in our Writings. We Baha’is accept the Qur’an as an earlier dispensation in some ways like Christians accept the Old Testament as an inspired revelation.
For example as a Catholic, you can live to be 100 and still have never learned all that is to be learned.
And how could you defend your own faith against others, if you do not know it.
Just my Opinion.
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worldcitizen
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you mean as far as successorship in Islam?
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JimmyDFG
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No …Its those qualifications that they can become imams and spiritual leaders
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JimmyDFG
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But what we see with SOME imams( not all imams ) is speech about islamic supermacy. If all the imams in the world can’t usurp the quran or muhammad , as you mentioned earlier “Most Muslims don’t follow or read the Quran much anymore but follow more & more Hadiths or sayings which they believe are attributed to Muhammad” who and what is the authorization to teach the faith of islam? How I’m taking what you’re saying is , islam is flawed and unteachable
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TonyBS
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Muhammad and the Koran and its History are much like the history of Christianity. They are both broken into many different branches, some of those branches have become severed from the main tree and are in Reality Dead, even if they did originally come from the tree.
It is the dead branches that make the news these days for obvious reasons.
Thus if we go back to the Purity of the Koran it is still the Changless Word of God with the laws for that age.
There is still those that practice the Purity of the Koran as there is also Christians that practice the Purity of the Bible.
Regards Tony
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TonyBS
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That is true for any religion as Gods Word is more than we can ever know.
It may be you do not have to defend your Faith, it may be you can come to know yours better if you look a t other sources of Gods Word.
Does not the Old Testament take on a more profound meaning with the New Testament?
Regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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Rejecting Jesus as God when Spiritual study in the New Testament clearly confirmed it how do you know the Old Testament tells us the NT is right?
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TonyBS
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Dear Martin - I have read the Bible passages many times and I do not and can not see the same Trinity you see.
Yes I see Christ as a Messenger and I also see Him as the only God man can know.
Christ when He said the Father is Greater than I and When He said I do nothing but what the Father tells me to do is confirmed in the Koran and in the Baha’i Writings that God is Unknowable even to the Prophets and Manifestations, even though they are the perfect exemplars.
The New Testament was the first to establish mankind personal connection with God. That man took it beyond the lesson that was to be learned was corrected by the next of Gods messengers Muhammad in the Koran. The Bab and Baha’u’llah have confirmed the correct understanding.
This is why a study of the Koran would be a blessing for Christianity, even more so if they acknowledge the Divine Source of the Koran.
Regards Tony
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worldcitizen
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Hi Jimmy,
Muslims have only two things to turn to. The Quran and the Day of Ressurection which has come and gone. They expected that in that Day Islam would be exalted over all the earth but they misread the signs and what’s really happened is God has sent a new Messenger to replace Islam with a New Book and a Divine Order ( the Kingdom of God)
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JimmyDFG
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Catechism of the Catholic Church 129(106)
" As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New."
127 There is no doctrine which could be better, more precious and more splendid than the text of the Gospel. Behold and retain what our Lord and Master, Christ, has taught by his words and accomplished by his deeds.
But above all it’s the gospels that occupy my mind when I’m at prayer; my poor soul has so many needs, and yet this is the one thing needful. I’m always finding fresh lights there; hidden meanings which had meant nothing to me hitherto.
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Techno2000
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That’s true I’m always finding new insights about my life, and the world around me when I look at it through the lens of the Gospel .
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JimmyDFG
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How can this be when you said earlier " Most Muslims don’t follow or read the Quran much anymore" # 899
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"all the Imams( muslims too I’m assuming ) in the world can’t usurp the Quran " #924
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JimmyDFG
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Words to live by Techno!!
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TonyBS
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This is exactly what we have found with the Bahai Writings. The old and new testaments and the Koran are opened with the Bahai Scriptures and there is no doubt this is so.
The statement made in 127 then attains to its apex of meaning in the Bahai Writings.
God bless and regards Tony
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TonyBS
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You may have to consider you are looking through a Lens which concentrates your vision on but one aspect of the whole universe.
The Bahai writings open our vision to the whole universe unrestricted by a concentrated lens.
Prior to the Bahai Revelation the the message of Muhammad given in the Koran also commenced the path to a broader vision.
Regards Tony
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Servant19
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It indeed is the living Word of God. It consumes you and your awareness grows, your consciousness of what could be expands.
This is why the authentically preserved Word of God revealed by Baha’u’llah is used as a Eucharistic sacrament in the Baha’i religion. We are asked to imbibe the Word of God morning and night.
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worldcitizen
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Every religion has its Holy Book and prophecies regarding the Day of Ressurection but people have ignored their own teachings and replaced them with a ‘counterfeit version’. Which is one reason Christ says ‘if they say here is Christ or there He is go not’. Because by the last day only the outward form of religion would remain but the inner spirit would be gone.
That explains why we have literally ‘billions’ of so called ‘religious’ people on earth but the world is morally bankrupt and decadent with wars, hatred, bigotry and prejudice everywhere.
If people really believed in religion don’t you think we would all be living in peace by now? People are not following anything but outward forms now.
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JimmyDFG
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Maybe these people are following the false Prophet and prophets and false Christs that Jesus himself has warn us about
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JimmyDFG
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“There is no doctrine which could be better, more precious and more splendid than the text of the Gospel” That’s pretty much self explanatory. In my opinion ,if the people of the baha’i faith deny Jesus as being the only son of God… its the same as denying the Gospel
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