Sturgis motorcycle rally linked to more than 250,000 coronavirus cases, study finds

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I truly find this weird. Look I do not doubt this article, but I do wonder about this…

This is a very intelligent Virus. It affects Trump rallies, churches, and right wing protests. But BLM/Antifa it avoids.
 
I read about this, people are questioning the methodology. It may be true but they are using cell phones for this test? I didn’t read the whole thing yesterday and maybe it’s solid science. I would be a bit skeptical. Some articles say this gathering will have a cost of $12 billion dollars. Saying things like this get me wondering.

 
Outdoor events vary by the amount of concentration of people , time and mask wearing amongst participants. A moving protest, spread out is very different than an outdoor cafe or large groups just standing in place.

It’s not the lefts fault that so many people won’t wear masks and socially distant. So, perhaps this is the difference, not the political views of the virus.
 
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem blasted the study as faulty modeling “nonsense” and pointed out the research paper has not yet been peer reviewed.

“This report isn’t science; it’s fiction,” she said. “Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis.”

She said modeling at one point predicted her state alone would peak at 10,000 hospitalizations due to COVID-19.

“Today, we have less than 70,” she said.
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Rockoh22 said:
I truly find this weird. Look I do not doubt this article, but I do wonder about this…

This is a very intelligent Virus. It affects Trump rallies, churches, and right wing protests. But BLM/Antifa it avoids.
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There is no indication or claim that either political side is favored. But if there is a difference in outcome, there are many possible places to look:
  1. Duration and size of event
  2. Venue of event (indoors, outdoors?)
  3. Amount of distance between participants.
  4. Amount of mixing of participants.
and maybe others.
 
Rockoh22 said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Yet some people have no problem thinking that Trump could have stopped the Portland protesters - in one hour.
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The police could have.
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But they couldn’t stop the Sturgis rally? That is what we are comparing here.
 
One is Riots. Daily Riots.

The other is people NOT breaking the law. Right to peacefully assemble.
 
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No, the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Didn't Spawn 250,000 Coronavirus Cases

Here's what we were told: An August motorcycle rally in Sturgis, South Dakota, helped spread COVID-19 to more than a…
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According to South Dakota health officials, 124 new cases in the state—including one fatal case—were directly linked to the rally. Overall, COVID-19 cases linked to the Sturgis rally were reported in 11 states as of September 2, to a tune of at least 260 new cases, according to The Washington Post

To get to the astronomical number of cases allegedly spread because of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the researchers analyzed “anonymized cellphone data to track the smartphone pings from non-residents and movement of those before and after the event,” notes Newsweek . “The study then linked those who attended and traveled back to their home states, and compared changes in coronavirus trends after the rally’s conclusion.”

The researchers also assumed a $46,000 price tag for each person infected to calculate the $12.2 billion public health cost of the event—but this figure would only make sense if every person had a severe case requiring hospitalization.
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Just show how much they use cellphone date, very important to shut off" location" when not using I would say., just more invasion of privacy.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
There is no indication or claim that either political side is favored. But if there is a difference in outcome, there are many possible places to look:
  1. Duration and size of event
  2. Venue of event (indoors, outdoors?)
  3. Amount of distance between participants.
  4. Amount of mixing of participants.
and maybe others.
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Might be harder to contact trace on a protest. One might not be willing to acknowledge participation.
 
Rockoh22 said:
This is a very intelligent Virus. It affects Trump rallies, churches, and right wing protests. But BLM/Antifa it avoids.
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Maybe one of these groups is predisposed to wear masks and the other isn’t.

I don’t mean that as a snark, just an observation. When a bunch of people who don’t think the virus is a problem, don’t normally wear masks, go about their daily business without masking and social distancing, get together, maybe there is more risk than when a group when does wear masks and distance themselves.

It’s not only the risk at the event - it’s the risk profile of the people at the event and how they’ve protected themselves (or not) in the past week or two.
 
“linked” is the wrong word

They made models and guesstimated their numbers. No wonder it wasn’t published in a medical journal.
The number of cases estimated in the study differs significantly from the number of cases tied to the rally reported by the South Dakota Department of Health. As of Tuesday, the state reported 124 cases among South Dakota residents who got sick after attending the rally.

The Associated Press as of last week identified 290 cases from 12 states tied to the rally.
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Rockoh22 said:
One is Riots. Daily Riots.

The other is people NOT breaking the law. Right to peacefully assemble.
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They would have been breaking the law if the governor had made it the law. But she didn’t because, apparently, “do you think they could have stopped Sturgis”.
 
PaulinVA said:
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Maybe one of these groups is predisposed to wear masks and the other isn’t.
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There is something to this. Most people wear masks to hide their faces when they are throwing bricks, torching police cars, trying to set fire to a federal courthouse, or any other those other “mostly peaceful” activities.
 
KMC said:
There is something to this. Most people wear masks to hide their faces when they are throwing bricks, torching police cars, trying to set fire to a federal courthouse, or any other those other “mostly peaceful” activities.
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You know that isn’t what I meant, but, whatever.

Trying to have a conversation here is getting increasingly hard.
 
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