The inquisition was no worse and was in many cases better than the secular courts at the time. A lot of the horror stories you hear about it were from the protestant propaganda machine that was in full gear during the reformation
Again, whom are you teaching to? Everybody knows this! You are saying obvious things that everybody knows. I tell you one: slavery.
But we figure it out.
Excuse me but how are the crusades or the inquisition considered as extremism? You need to brush up on some history.
Then, what is this discussion about anyway?
I NEVER, EVER attacked Christians in these threads. Like I said, I was only saying that Christianity has its share of extremism just like Islam.
I said “I wanted to dismantle ignorance” Not “you are ignorant.”
Do you know me personally? No! Then don’t tell me what I do and don’t know. Maybe, I’m wrong about the topics we’re discussing but how can you I don’t know universal history? How do you know I don’t know about the other topics of history? You don’t know who I am.
People were killed?Excuse me but how are the crusades or the inquisition considered as extremism? You need to brush up on some history.
Then, what is this discussion about anyway?
I NEVER, EVER attacked Christians in these threads. Like I said, I was only saying that Christianity has its share of extremism just like Islam.
I said “I wanted to dismantle ignorance” Not “you are ignorant.”
Do you know me personally? No! Then don’t tell me what I do and don’t know. Maybe, I’m wrong about the topics we’re discussing but how can you I don’t know universal history? How do you know I don’t know about the other topics of history? You don’t know who I am.
People were killed?
Who cares???
The crusades were a just war as they were a direct response to to Muslim aggression. The Christians had every right to re-take christian lands conquered by the Moslems and while immoral actions were committed, they do not detract from the just cause of the war. The sackings of Jerusalem and Constantinople were in fact, condemned by the crusade’s leaders.People were killed?
As for the last one, I don’t know. I’m not American and I have yet to read more on that subject.
On second thought, I think there has been a misunderstanding. Apparently, we both misunderstood. You seem to have thought I was defending Muslims, and I seem to have thought you thought All Muslims are terrorists.
I think everyone form of genocide by any religious or non-religious group is wrong. I didn’t mean to attack other Christians. I wanted to say that people shouldn’t group all these violent people with the rest of Islam, just like it would wrong to group violent people with normal everyday Christians.
That was not my intention, and I’m sorry you feel that way.
Or maybe I’m just ignorant of the crusades or the inquisition. And not ignorant of the rest of history. I know about many historical subjects. Apparently, this is not one of them.
I DO know about the horrible stuff violent people have done in the name of Islam. And it’s was wrong, I’m not “siding” (or at least I’m not trying to ) side with them. What some of the stuff Muslims did were wrong, stuff of the stuff we did was wrong. That’s what I was trying to say, because I knew people would group these violent people with the rest of the Islamic community. And that’s what I was trying to prevent, apparently it led to a big misunderstanding.
Again, what I meant to say came out wrong, what I was trying to do what prevent people from group normal Muslims with violent extremists just like we shouldn’t group Christian extremists with normal Christians, because that would be wrong. My intentions were not represented well.
Okay. Now I know more about these two subjects.The crusades were a just war as they were a direct response to to Muslim aggression. The Christians had every right to re-take christian lands conquered by the Moslems and while immoral actions were committed, they do not detract from the just cause of the war. The sackings of Jerusalem and Constantinople were in fact, condemned by the crusade’s leaders.
Although, these sackings were horrible and unfortunate events that should be frowned upon as atrocious. However, the crusaders had their reasons for sacking the two cities and while these reasons certainly did not justify their actions, we have to realize that these sackings were not done mindlessly, out of bloodlust nor out of greed. Prior to the sacking of Jerusalem, the crusaders suffered immensely from both the heat of the sun and the effects of the desert winds, which drained moisture from their bodies.The Moslems had also poisoned the wells near the city and the men were desperate for hydration, resorting to licking dew of grass or digging in the ground to find moist earth. When they had finally taken the city, they went wild, killing several innocent people. The sacking of Constantinople was done because the Emperor failed to honor his side of the bargain. He had promised the crusaders payment for reinstating him (as his throne had been usurped), yet they received nothing. The crusaders waited for word from the emperor but to no avail. They had to live an entire winter with barely any food. Since the crusaders were not given their due, they felt justified in raiding his lands as a means of “paying themselves”.
Though crusade leaders such as Simon de Montfort and Godfrey de Boullion condemned such actions, the crusades were a large and unorganized mess and taking into consideration that the circumstances prior to those events were conducive to a sacking, those horrors as we know them today were very likely to happen.
Again, you can’t push 21st century morals into medieval people* (ex: torture was a common practice during those times)*. You have to take into context the times and circumstances surrounding those events. To label both the crusades and the inquisition would be incorrect in my opinion.
- The inquisition was founded by Queen Isabella, who knew that the unity of Spain relied on a strong church. Moors and Jews, who didn’t believe in Christian doctrine, rose into powerful positions in both the Church and the government. This was a huge problem and the Inquisition was made for this reason, to differentiate who was a true Christian and who was not. Abuses were frequent early on but when Torquemada was appointed grand inquisitor to solve these problems procedures became more lenient, torture was reduced significantly, prison conditions were improved and money was even given to the families on those on trial. The inquisition was also considered a “more just court than most” and criminals would even pretend to be heretics just to be transferred into the hands of the inquisition. We should also take into consideration that during these times, torture was used by all governments as a means of extracting confessions. People who were found guilty in the inquisition were considered traitors to both the state and church and were charged with execution. Those who were found guilty were given a chance to repent. However, if one refused to repent or relapsed he would then be sentenced to death. Out of the 100,000+ that were put on trial, only 2000 were executed.
As for the last one, I don’t know. I’m not American and I have yet to read more on that subject.
The ideology of the Quran forced the COPTIC-speaking and SYRIAC-speaking Middle East to be tranformed to so-called “ARAB” countries. Its a great tragedy that today Christians are forced to pray to the Arab idol called “ALLAH”.
I meant defending Muslim extremism
Yeah to murtad, “Allah” is the Arabic word for God.
Yes, I know that
as I am an “Arab” myself (amid long years of Arabisation as a Muslim) and was baptised into my ancestral Church, the Chaldean Church of the East since I reverted to my Chaldean roots. I oppose Saddam Hussein and Sunnis as I hate Pan-Arabism and even Pan-Sunnism. I defend Iran and Pan-Shiaism and applaud US President George Bush for liberating Iraq from “Arab slavery” and building bridges with Shias, who are actually Zoroastrians. Today, our mother tongue, the Chaldean language, the exact similar dialect of Aramaic Jesus spoke is one of the 5 national languages of Iraq.