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chero23
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DO you think, as a whole, not 1 or 2 teachers, be honest with yourself. My gf is a teacher and she will say no. Do you think all will say yes to carrying handguns?
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Path_Finder
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If one wants to arm teachers, it has already gone on for a long time, some schools already have teachers who are armed.
kltv.com/story/20387667/texas-school-district-allows-armed-teachers
This issue also show the enigma of the gun control debate, people get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, St. Louis, Dallas, Detroit, New Orleans. But we aren’t hearing about this. We are hearing about the odd cases of a deranged shooter going out and you know what else needs to be considered now, the Sandy Hook shooter and most of the others were under or had been under psychiatric care and used psychiatric drugs.
So 8 people get shot and killed in Chicago week after week, a city with strict gun controls but it’s not nearly reported on as when a school gets shot up.
kltv.com/story/20387667/texas-school-district-allows-armed-teachers
This issue also show the enigma of the gun control debate, people get shot in Chicago on a regular basis, St. Louis, Dallas, Detroit, New Orleans. But we aren’t hearing about this. We are hearing about the odd cases of a deranged shooter going out and you know what else needs to be considered now, the Sandy Hook shooter and most of the others were under or had been under psychiatric care and used psychiatric drugs.
So 8 people get shot and killed in Chicago week after week, a city with strict gun controls but it’s not nearly reported on as when a school gets shot up.
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Scottgun
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And of course when they do report gun crimes, it’s vague. You will see a news item that goes, “A Canadian truck driver was shot and killed early Wednesday on the South Side of Chicago. Police said he was the victim of a robbery with multiple male perpetrators.”
Yeah, more of that “male” crime we’re always hearing about.
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Jon_S_1
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No, but why don’t we have armed police at schools?
We have armed security for things in life that we put value on,
Banks
Armored cars
The president
Airports
Elected officials
The stock market
City halls
Sporting events
Concerts
Academy awards
But not our precious kids in schools…???
Why?
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Path_Finder
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I’m really not pro or anti-gun control but I try to be realistic.
Personal anecdote but it is not an unheard of example, I was once driving through a neighborhood and police cars were all parked at this one house, I read the next day in the newspaper that this street where I drove, a youth killed another, I think both were less than 20 years old. I felt bad about this and tried to imagine, could gun control have stopped this? Probably not, there are so many guns in circulation already and these kids probably didn’t buy these guns to begin with legally.
I see a problem that whether it is the deranged shooters such as in Aurora Colorado or Sandy Hook in Connecticut or it’s gang warfare, a lot of this is just from young men. As said, the deranged shooters seem to almost always be already known about. The gang warfare is something that needs to be tackled.
If you take away the gang shootings, I think the US’s rate of murders by gun is actually pretty low and then, people throw out examples like more people die by being beaten with fists or killed by knives and hammers.
Personal anecdote but it is not an unheard of example, I was once driving through a neighborhood and police cars were all parked at this one house, I read the next day in the newspaper that this street where I drove, a youth killed another, I think both were less than 20 years old. I felt bad about this and tried to imagine, could gun control have stopped this? Probably not, there are so many guns in circulation already and these kids probably didn’t buy these guns to begin with legally.
I see a problem that whether it is the deranged shooters such as in Aurora Colorado or Sandy Hook in Connecticut or it’s gang warfare, a lot of this is just from young men. As said, the deranged shooters seem to almost always be already known about. The gang warfare is something that needs to be tackled.
If you take away the gang shootings, I think the US’s rate of murders by gun is actually pretty low and then, people throw out examples like more people die by being beaten with fists or killed by knives and hammers.
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Ignatius
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Lowest crime rate - Switzerland with universal gun ownership.
Highest murder rate in the US - Chicago with the most restrictive gun control laws.
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captainrick
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Of course not. But school employees who have concealed carry permits should be allowed to carry in school. Some of these school shootings could have been prevented, or the death toll minimized.
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captainrick
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Lowest crime rate - Switzerland with universal gun ownership.
Highest murder rate in the US - Chicago with the most restrictive gun control laws.
Don’t forget good old Washington D.C., our crime ridden capital!
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captainrick
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Then I guess that people are intimidated by all those gun-toting police officers (yes, some people are, but not the honest ones)!
Some of those citizens allowed to carry are better trained than some police officers.
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RGCheek
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Gun control efforts are not based on fact and reason but hysterical responses to horrid events that are at root either an example of gun control’s negative side of making people helpless before criminals willing to break the gun ban laws or mental issues that ignore laws anyway.
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RGCheek
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Why do you think it is extreme? Because you are not used to seeing it? Why is a handgun safer to take into a bar than a long gun?
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captainrick
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No one is proposing that teachers be required to carry. It would be limited to those who volunteer, and are properly trained, background checked, and licensed.
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RGCheek
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It is intimidating to you but not to those used to seeing them.
So because you get frightened at the sight of a rifle on the street, everyone else should lose their right to carry a gun?
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Path_Finder
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I respectfully disagree via “intimidating” effect to have a gun at least in a general sense.
Some people ride the bus lines, walk home late at night, things like this and they simply wish to be armed. They aren’t bandying their weapon around for everyone to see.
That subway shooting in New York happened exactly because those guys were robbing on the subway and in Bernard Goetz, they came across someone who was carrying.
A number of these shootings that have happened, it has come out that someone else, a citizen was carrying and was able to stop the shooting.
Some people ride the bus lines, walk home late at night, things like this and they simply wish to be armed. They aren’t bandying their weapon around for everyone to see.
That subway shooting in New York happened exactly because those guys were robbing on the subway and in Bernard Goetz, they came across someone who was carrying.
A number of these shootings that have happened, it has come out that someone else, a citizen was carrying and was able to stop the shooting.
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RGCheek
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Both Israel and Thailand allow for trained teachers to carry guns at school to protect their students and NOT ONE TIME HAS A CHILD TAKEN A GUN FROM A TEACHER AND SHOT ANYONE. They are SAFER not more in danger, dude.
Why do you think that such fictional situations are relevant to a rational discussion?
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Brendan
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Now you are claiming personal opinion as a fact. Not a good logical argument.
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Brendan
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Or you can have a pink tutu, but leave it at home. I find them intimidatingI hate pink tutus.
I think they should be outlawed.
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