Supporting President Bush

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bones_IV:
I don’t waste time blaming Bush if that’s what you’re accusing me of doing. Your definition of those who stick to pure ideals are those who blame president Bush? That’s your best arguement? Get real.
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Thanks, but I am real. As for pure ideals, I’m not sure pro-aborts have one.
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bones_IV:
I’m not a pure idealist who sits on his dias playing the blame game. Another fallacious arguement. Evidently you don’t understand what it means to be pro-life do you?
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I beg your pardon… but you don’t know a thing about what I stand for or what I understand. You are obviously angry at something and I don’t appreciate having your anger directed at me.
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bones_IV:
How can you say Bush is pro-life when he says that babies should be aborted in cases of rape, incest or of the mother dying? That is not pro-life tomccrakine. Not even close.
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I won’t even waste my time trying to convince someone that doesn’t understand american politics and try to even remotely connect the dots that it takes politics to run this country. And when I voted for Bush, I voted for his pro-life stance. I voted against a fellow Catholic because that so-called Catholic OPENLY stated he would support Roe V Wade and leave it be. At least Bush passed restrictive laws on partial birth abortion. AGAIN, it’s a start. Like I said, he’s one person… .and he can’t just arbitrarily change the laws. In case you haven’t noticed, there are MANY pro-abortionists out there that will force laws to push their agenda even if it’s to stall a passage of a revoking of RvW.
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bones_IV:
Get involved in a pro-life organization for one thing. It’s called being part of the solution.
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I still don’t have to explain myself to you but I am very pro-life and before bashing me, stop acting like an abortion clinic bomber and try to understand it’s going to take alot of time, alot of prayer and the people that ARE fighting on the front lines to stop abortion are trying the best they can. We all get involved WHERE WE CAN AND WHAT OUR RESOURCES ALLOW. So don’t tell me I’m not doing enough.
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bones_IV:
If you allow the pro-life with exception candidates to live in their delusions you are only further causing them to sin.
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And, what, pray tell, was our other option when faced with a pro-life candidate and an openly abortion supporting candidate? Not everyone in this country are Catholics and you can’t legislate morality. But you can make people aware of the truth about abortion, both before and after effects… and man, people ARE trying. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
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bones_IV:
Which is scandalous. Partial birth abortion regulations did not save one baby tomccrakine. Yet again, your just trying to excuse candidates who show cowardice on issues like abortion when they say a baby can be aborted when it comes to rape ect…This is not about political power.
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Like I said in my very first post… I’m not sure what you are getting at. In your first post, you proved you didn’t have a clue as to the real politics about Bush and you’ve elegantly proved that stance throughout the rest of your posts. Please, try to understand what is going on on the larger scale before personally attacking me. I don’t appreciate it and I would like an apology.

Please, take a step back and take a breath. Say a prayer to understand what I and others are saying about Bush. I don’t like ANY form of abortion for ANY reason so before attacking me, kindly ask me some intelligent questions.
 
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tamccrackine:
Thanks, but I am real. As for pure ideals, I’m not sure pro-aborts have one.

I beg your pardon… but you don’t know a thing about what I stand for or what I understand. You are obviously angry at something and I don’t appreciate having your anger directed at me.

I won’t even waste my time trying to convince someone that doesn’t understand american politics and try to even remotely connect the dots that it takes politics to run this country. And when I voted for Bush, I voted for his pro-life stance. I voted against a fellow Catholic because that so-called Catholic OPENLY stated he would support Roe V Wade and leave it be. At least Bush passed restrictive laws on partial birth abortion. AGAIN, it’s a start. Like I said, he’s one person… .and he can’t just arbitrarily change the laws. In case you haven’t noticed, there are MANY pro-abortionists out there that will force laws to push their agenda even if it’s to stall a passage of a revoking of RvW.

I still don’t have to explain myself to you but I am very pro-life and before bashing me, stop acting like an abortion clinic bomber and try to understand it’s going to take alot of time, alot of prayer and the people that ARE fighting on the front lines to stop abortion are trying the best they can. We all get involved WHERE WE CAN AND WHAT OUR RESOURCES ALLOW. So don’t tell me I’m not doing enough.

And, what, pray tell, was our other option when faced with a pro-life candidate and an openly abortion supporting candidate? Not everyone in this country are Catholics and you can’t legislate morality. But you can make people aware of the truth about abortion, both before and after effects… and man, people ARE trying. Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

Like I said in my very first post… I’m not sure what you are getting at. In your first post, you proved you didn’t have a clue as to the real politics about Bush and you’ve elegantly proved that stance throughout the rest of your posts. Please, try to understand what is going on on the larger scale before personally attacking me. I don’t appreciate it and I would like an apology.

Please, take a step back and take a breath. Say a prayer to understand what I and others are saying about Bush. I don’t like ANY form of abortion for ANY reason so before attacking me, kindly ask me some intelligent questions.
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You still don’t understand. God doesn’t need politics to end abortion. I don’t understand how America works? I pity you. Honestly, I really do. Its your delusion and blindness to political power, is what’s out of place here. I wasn’t attacking you like you accuse me of doing. Again. If you think your going to get an apology, you’ll never get one. I wasn’t directing my anger at you. Again skipping around the bush, like you did previously.
 
Wolf in sheeps clothing and the costume has gotten thin. I am amazed at the transpartent pandering that is so redilly accepted. Want to win an election then just bring out your base by pandering to their lesser angels, you know by putting an anti imagration issue on the ballot or how about a defence of marriage act (who cares if those sponsoring it are on the fourth marriage). Yes so long as they sing the songs we are familiar with we will follow. Its symbolism that counts you know. If pushed I will tell you what I really think.
 
Wolf in sheeps clothing and the costume has gotten thin. I am amazed at the transpartent pandering that is so redilly accepted. Want to win an election then just bring out your base by pandering to their lesser angels, you know by putting an anti imagration issue on the ballot or how about a defence of marriage act (who cares if those sponsoring it are on the fourth marriage). Yes so long as they sing the songs we are familiar with we will follow. Its symbolism that counts you know. If pushed I will tell you what I really think.
 
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bones_IV:
You still don’t understand. God doesn’t need politics to end abortion. I don’t understand how America works? I pity you. Honestly, I really do. Its your delusion and blindness to political power, is what’s out of place here. I wasn’t attacking you like you accuse me of doing. Again. If you think your going to get an apology, you’ll never get one. I wasn’t directing my anger at you. Again skipping around the bush, like you did previously.
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I understand that this argument is fruitless because you have a narcissistic mindset and your argument is moot. I’m not going to do battle of the wits with someone that is unarmed and I’m through wasting my time with this thread because you don’t have any valid points to make aside from throwing faulty accusations out on people you don’t know. I know where I stand and what I stand for. My conscious is clear when it comes to my undertakings of my pro-life stance and the work I do for it. I’m not so confident you can feel the same about your own.

Have a blessed day, good luck in your endeavors… whatever they may be.
 
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tamccrackine:
Maybe I am misunderstanding you here… but you initially state a question as to why Christians support Bush and you believe it’s because of abortion. Then you say you can’t support him because of the abortion issue and even continue with the statement that you won’t support a candidate who supports abortion.

Seeing how Bush is pro-life, I’m a bit confused to your post… can you clarify for me? Thanks! 🙂
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I ask this because outside of abortion his administration has done much to less environmental regulations, done more for the rich thand the poor (statistically poverty has increased each year under Bush adminitration), started un-just wars, etc.

Is he the lesser of two evils?
 
news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051222/us_nm/congress_health_spending_dc_1

Senate passes health, education spending cuts

sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/ats-ap_top10dec21,0,7886438.story?coll=sns-newsnation-headlines
Cheney Breaks Senate Tie on Spending Cut

The White House put government agencies on notice this month that if President Bush is reelected, his budget for 2006 may include spending cuts for virtually all agencies in charge of domestic programs, including education, homeland security and others that the president backed in this campaign year. ~ Washington Post.

tcrnews2.com/povertydisaster.html

tcrnews2.com/Preemptivewar2.html
 
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qmvsimp:
You all have some good points, but let’s stick to the five non-negotiable issues in the Voter’s guide. Bush meets them all. Beyond that, Catholics are entitled to differing opinions.
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He said he would be this kind of candidate, but there isn’t much evidence to convict him of being pro-life. Candidates have to do more than just talk, they actually have to **DO ** something to support pro-life issues.

Bush as been AWOL on reducing the number of abortions and he certainly was AWOL during the Terry Schiavo event. For that matter, Jeb Bush washed his hands clean of the whole affair, too.

So ACTIONS do count!
 
It has been shown that the abortion rate has gone up under Bush.
 
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josephdavid:
It has been shown that the abortion rate has gone up under Bush.
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I’m not surprised, some poltical advocates have informed me that he actually increased funds to Planned Parenthood. If anyone has “proof” of that, please present it. That indeed would be disappointing.
 
Why do people think the POTUS can stop abortion “right now!”? That isn’t how the US government is set up. The POTUS is the chief executive, the Congress passes legislation and the Supreme Court checks those laws to see if they are valid under the Constitution.

Whining, bitching, and moaning about the president is just ridiculous. He’ll be out of office in 2008 no matter what. Then there’ll be someone else you can whine, bitch, and moan about; which will also be ridiculous.

If you don’t like the way life is, get involved and act to change it.
 
What do you think I am doing?

But to say shut up and wait until 2008? No way. That is not what Democracy is about.
 
OOps sorry for misunderstanding.

I am sorry I can not support this man and quite honestly I can not support much of the politicians out there.

There needs to be social justice and responsibility and I am seeing this slipping away from this country.

democratsforlife.org/
 
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josephdavid:
OOps sorry for misunderstanding.

I am sorry I can not support this man and quite honestly I can not support much of the politicians out there.

There needs to be social justice and responsibility and I am seeing this slipping away from this country.

democratsforlife.org/
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If you do not support the POTUS then what are you advocating? Anarchy? Rebellion? Dissent? Or just campaigning for some other guy?

Why is social justice the Federal Governments responsibility? Where in the founding documents does it spell that out? Social Justice is each individual’s responsibility. By laying it at the feet of the government people tend to sway their own guilt of inaction by blaming the government for what they claim is that very same inaction. If we KNOW the government isn’t involved in “Social Justice” then we must act, which is what we are supposed to do in the first place. Blaming the federal government for the what you see as social responsibility fading from the collective consciences of the citizenry is just yelling in a mirror.
 
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