Supreme Court gives Obama second big health care win in ruling upholding nationwide subsidies

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johnnykins said:
Let the poor rot! Let them go without health care! They can go to the ER for stabilization…if they self-select against it…great as it saves our kids money!

So what if every other first world nation can provide universal healthcare coverage - we CAN"T or WON’T!! I have mine - die poor suckers!

Oh, I just love getting to say those things - they are just soooooo “Christian”!

I’ll take a little Mammon this afternoon, please…
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The only problem johnnykins is you’ve smeared and demonized the views of those with whom you disagree. I am against Obamacare, are telling me that I worship Mammon and don’t care about the poor? Please let me know .

Ishii
 
Good_Tidings said:
Most people are satisfied with Medicare. Isn’t that a government sponsored program?
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I do find it amusing when I hear people rail against single payer and then argue that we cannot touch medicare which is nothing but single payer. On the other hand, consistency is not a hallmark of either political party.

People ought to like medicare because the recipients bear so little of the cost. They only part the payroll tax covers is part A, the rest are highly subsidized from general tax revenue. Why we subsidize insurance for those that can pay on their own is beyond me.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It. People are not happy with Obamacare,

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I’m very happy with what is called Obamacare.

The people who seem unhappy are those who have health insurance or are on medicare and could care less about the millions of Americans who had no health insurance before ACA.

Why people think its better for people to not have affordable health insurance has yet to be answered by the critics.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I’m very happy with what is called Obamacare.

The people who seem unhappy are those who have health insurance or are on medicare and could care less about the millions of Americans who had no health insurance before ACA.

Why people think its better for people to not have affordable health insurance has yet to be answered by the critics.

Jim
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I am against Obamacare, JimR. Are you accusing me of not caring about those who have (or had) no healthcare insurance?

Ishii
 
johnnykins said:
Let the poor rot! Let them go without health care! They can go to the ER for stabilization…if they self-select against it…great as it saves our kids money!

So what if every other first world nation can provide universal healthcare coverage - we CAN"T or WON’T!! I have mine - die poor suckers!

Oh, I just love getting to say those things - they are just soooooo “Christian”!

I’ll take a little Mammon this afternoon, please…
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Absolutely offensive. Shame on you.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
I do find it amusing when I hear people rail against single payer and then argue that we cannot touch medicare which is nothing but single payer. On the other hand, consistency is not a hallmark of either political party.

People ought to like medicare because the recipients bear so little of the cost. They only part the payroll tax covers is part A, the rest are highly subsidized from general tax revenue. Why we subsidize insurance for those that can pay on their own is beyond me.
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Medicare for a portion of the country is a little different from single payer for all, stinkcat.

Ishii
 
johnnykins said:
Let the poor rot! Let them go without health care! They can go to the ER for stabilization…if they self-select against it…great as it saves our kids money!

So what if every other first world nation can provide universal healthcare coverage - we CAN"T or WON’T!! I have mine - die poor suckers!

Oh, I just love getting to say those things - they are just soooooo “Christian”!

I’ll take a little Mammon this afternoon, please…
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My comment is to folks claiming we’re a rich country-

Yeah, because it’s moral for me to saddle my grandkids with debt. Me giving away other folks money and property isn’t charity… me putting the yoke and burden for things today isn’t noble at all IHMO. Oh, I guess it’s ok to say – I got mine sucker, you folks deal with it when we finally go bust-- die suckers (in your parlance).

18 trillion in debt right now, we’ll add what, 2 more trillion by end of the fiscal year (30 Sept)?

Total income of ~4 trillion

adding debt at the rate of 6 trillion per year…

Not to mention unfunded liabilities like SSN at 14 trillion. Oh, and Medicare-- 27 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

yeah, we’re rich. As long as we transfer that largesse to somebody other than ourselves.
 
I guess that if SCOTUS has to keep bailing out a poorly written law, then maybe it should be called SCOTUS-Care.

Their motto can be, “Look, this is what you meant to say, but didn’t. We’ll just correct it for you, because we really can read your mind.”
 
What I’d like to see is a multi-payer system. Everybody pays their doctor and buys their own insurance. Federal coverage is provided only for those who can’t afford to pay their own physicians or buy their own insurance.
 
Ridgerunner said:
[T]hose with the money get the best while everybody else lives with mediocre care, computer-driven diagnosis and treatment and a lot of “it’s not worth it at her age”.
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Sounds like my 90-year-old father’s experience with his latest doctor appointment. And he has great insurance.

My wife’s elderly aunt, on the other hand, lives in Canada. She had open heart surgery last month, got great care, and didn’t pay a dime.

The rest of the industrialized world has single payer health coverage and generally better health care. I honestly don’t understand why some folks start foaming at the mouth at the idea of universal health care.
 
Good_Tidings said:
Most people are satisfied with Medicare. Isn’t that a government sponsored program?
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The government does the paying, but not the administration. It’s administered by private insurance companies. Always has been.
 
WillyAL said:
Sounds like my 90-year-old father’s experience with his latest doctor appointment. And he has great insurance.

My wife’s elderly aunt, on the other hand, lives in Canada. She had open heart surgery last month, got great care, and didn’t pay a dime.

The rest of the industrialized world has single payer health coverage and generally better health care. I honestly don’t understand why some folks start foaming at the mouth at the idea of universal health care.
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Anecdotal. “I have an uncle who smoked a pack a day and he lived to the age of 95”

blah blah blah
 
JimR-OCDS said:
I’m very happy with what is called Obamacare.

The people who seem unhappy are those who have health insurance or are on medicare and could care less about the millions of Americans who had no health insurance before ACA.

Why people think its better for people to not have affordable health insurance has yet to be answered by the critics.

Jim
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Why are you so happy about Obamacare? After all, the CBO says 30 million will have no coverage anyway.
 
JimG said:
What I’d like to see is a multi-payer system. Everybody pays their doctor and buys their own insurance. Federal coverage is provided only for those who can’t afford to pay their own physicians or buy their own insurance.
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What can’t go on forever won’t. Both parties have their foot on the accelerator heading towards the fiscal cliff.

I’d like to see a top down/bottom up review of all federal and state entitlements and figure out how to come up with an affordable system.

I’m going to personally have to pay more, there’s no way around it. And I’m willing to if it’s part of a well thought out plan that gets this debt under control. I planned my life to take responsibility for myself and set myself up well. You could say it’s not fair if the things I planned on have to change, promises/assurances from the government broken.----- but they do. I have to pay more, a lot of folks in the same position will have to pay more. But it only makes sense if it’s part of a comprehensive plan and not some piecemeal thing that just an excuse to throw money we don’t have somewhere else. Frankly, I see the money I give to charity organizations being used much more efficiently than the government programs. But there’s no reason government programs can’t be run more efficiently if properly incentivized/constructed. Sorry-- single payer like medicare isn’t the long term solution if it’s running up unfunded liabilities like it is now.
 
bibcat said:
… Eventually, we’ll do what the rest of the civilized world does and go single-payer, but not until the whole rotten edifice collapses. :mad:
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Do you realize that a single-payer system is one giant HMO? HMOs suck because they get their money up front, and as a result, the more they spend on making you well, the less profit they make. :sad_yes:
 
unstoppable_II said:
Do you realize that a single-payer system is one giant HMO? HMOs suck because they get their money up front, and as a result, the more they spend on making you well, the less profit they make. :sad_yes:
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The difference is that HMOs answer to shareholders. A single-payer system (or those who ultimately are responsible for it) answer to voters.
 
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