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dvdjs
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I couldn’t disagree more strongly.
A person raped, assaulted or upon who an attempt was made should not be told to shut up, just because they can’t prove it.
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A person raped, assaulted or upon who an attempt was made should not be told to shut up, just because they can’t prove it.
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JimG
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Of course they shouldn’t shut up. They should go directly to the police and file charges of sexual assault or whatever charges apply.
Or, they could just wait 36 years, make no complaint to anyone, not even when the alleged assailant is employed by the Federal government and is appointed as an appellate judge. But the supreme court, well that may require reporting. Yes, 36 years sounds about right. Wouldn’t want to jump the gun.
Or, they could just wait 36 years, make no complaint to anyone, not even when the alleged assailant is employed by the Federal government and is appointed as an appellate judge. But the supreme court, well that may require reporting. Yes, 36 years sounds about right. Wouldn’t want to jump the gun.
LeafByNiggle
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You probably don’t realize it, but your analysis of the options for victims of sexual assault is deeply offensive to actual victims who, for reasons you apparently don’t understand, are reluctant to report their assault until much later, if at all. I’m not talking about Dr. Ford here. I am talking about the thousands of assault victims every year whose assault goes unreported and who suffer the rest of their lives with guilt and shame. Dismissing them and their suffering is not acceptable.
I don’t know. I do know that Kavanaugh is far more likely right, based on the evidence, or lack there of
Not at all. I’m saying that if you have a supported accusation, particularly in the case of sexual assault, you feel confident in taking it to court, instead of simply making an unsubstantiated accusation that you don’t have to defend.
As for authorities doing it without the assistance of the alleged victim, andcwith no evidence, there’s no chance of that.
Because it is easier to sow the seeds of accusation without having to do so.
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JimG
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I’m not dismissing them; I’m saying that reporting crimes when they occur is better than reporting them decades later. Even with the MeToo movement, it is remarkable how one claim reported decades later suddenly brings dozens of other claims out of the woodwork. If those crimes had been reported when they occurred, much suffering and additional crimes might have been prevented. To wait three or four decades to report is practically a declaration of duty.
No one is dismissing them, including me. I’m challenging the politicized nature of Dr. Ford’s situation, which I blame mostly on the deception and dishonesty of the Democrats on the committee.
Their actions do nothing to help the victims of sexual abuse and violence, and frankly, I don’t think they care. They care about power.
Now, I don’t have specific evidence for that charge, but now I don’t need it, do I?
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dvdjs
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How nice that you prescribe what victims of crime need to do.
That is part of the problem.
LeafByNiggle
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If you believe that, then you can say that it is more likely there was no eyewitness.LeafByNiggle:
I don’t know. I do know that Kavanaugh is far more likely right, based on the evidence, or lack there of
But that was not the scenario I proposed. I said what if the victim has no support, but nevertheless knows the charge to be true from personal observation only.
Well, if there is no evidence, the authorities are not going to go forward. So whether the victim “asks” for charges to be filed has no effect on charges actually being filed. And if they do somehow decide to go forward anyway, I’m sure Dr. Ford will give them any assistance they require. So saying “without assistance” is nonsense.
The fact that something is easier does not make it wrong.
LeafByNiggle
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I know. I was only addressing JimG with that complaint.LeafByNiggle:
No one is dismissing them, including me.
And not bringing forth the accusations helps these victims, how?..
You just made a big deal about making accusations without support. So where is your support that Democrats do not care about victims of sexual assault? Are you prepared to file charges and submit to cross-examination?
As do all politicians.
Ah, I should have read ahead before making my earlier comment. But out of journalistic integrity I will leave it as I first wrote it.
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humbleseeker
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Let’s reverse that reasoning: “If I saw X” when I might have been drunk 36 years ago, it has as much bearing as if I said “ I remember seeing.” There is no way someone can be sure of “seeing something” 36 years ago while drunk. According to Dr. Ford, everyone at that party was drinking. Granted, she was clear that she only had one beer. What a strange insignificant detail to remember after 36 years. Not where you were, or how you got there or how you got home. But the exact amount of alcohol you consumed.7_Sorrows:
If I say “I never saw X” when I might have been drunk 36 years ago, it has as much bearing as if I said “I don’t remember seeing.” There is no way someone can be sure of not seeing something 36 years ago while drunk.
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Victoria33
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Kavanaugh was questioned for 30 hours and nothing about sex was asked in all that time. This is just a last minute maneuver and it bears repeating, from their closed door sessions, they could have investigated this well before this hit the news.
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gracepoole
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I’m sure you don’t mean it to be but this is deeply insulting. Do you feel this way about victims of sexual assault by priests, as well?
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gracepoole
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The article actually says no senator asked about sex. Rachel Mitchell asked.
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Victoria33
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Well, yes, until the special hearing yesterday.
They meant the hearings. Sex never came up until these allegations.
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Victoria33
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Here in the past day, I"m not sure if it was Lindsay Graham, so don’t hold me to it but I know one of the Senators said they had a woman come up to them and she said she’d been raped. He told her to go to the police. I don’t know if that is an offensive story. It kind of makes sense. If anyone is skeptical that this occurred, I am sure, I can find the story.
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gracepoole
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Lindsey Graham tells woman to 'tell the cops' and walks off after she told him she was a rape victim
Senator's response 'horrifically insensitive and dismissive', woman says
www.independent.co.uk
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humbleseeker
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He told her he was sorry and that she should speak to the authorities. What else was he supposed to do?
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Ender
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This is simply a denial of the facts. Judge and Smyth denied ever seeing Kavanaugh behave that way. That is not a claim not to remember seeing it; it is a claim they never saw such a thing. It is Ford who can’t remember things.
This is grotesque. What should be done is to look at the evidence. This is not a popularity contest. No charge like this should be believed simply because one person’s demeanor is more appealing. You’ve set an awfully low bar to allow the destruction of a man’s life and reputation.
What evidence is there that Kavanaugh acted as Ford charged? None whatsoever. Is this the new standard?
The standard for evidence should probably be whatever it is, but whatever it is, it is surely a good deal higher than zero, which is what we have in this case. No one should be convicted solely because another person has charged him with a crime.
In the not too distant past it would have been inconceivable that one could be judged guilty simply on the word of another person, but that’s exactly what is being urged in this case. That is specifically what Senator Hirono’s comments mean: all women are true, all men are liars (when it is our political opponents who are charged).
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dvdjs
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Hardly. This is a job approval process - approval by the Senate. The Senators are allowed to move however they please - including, you might remember, just disregarding a nominee and waiting for a new President. In this case there is a serious charge, a credible accusers, a less nominee may not be all that it should be, and plenty of other highly qualified people to choose from.
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