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That right applies in a criminal trial. Kavanaugh is not charged with a crime and is not on trial in a criminal court. So that right does not apply.
Again, this is where the conversation has sunk: Kavanaugh is not charged with a crime so that he is treated unfairly is irrelevant. His rights are not violated unless the law can prosecute. Truth, honesty, fairness are all dismissed as inapplicable…in this case.

How does politics recover from this mindset?
 
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KMC:
Would you find what she said acceptable if a man said it and replaced the word “men” with “women”?
That wouldn’t be an acceptable thing to say because it wouldn’t be truthful. What Hirono did say is acceptable because it is truthful.
Her statement is bigoted as it broad brushes all men. It would have been truthful with the qualifier “some”.
So you believe all men should “shut up” relative to this case?
 
Truth, honesty, fairness are all dismissed as inapplicable…in this case.
On the contrary, the idea is to follow a honest and fair to find the truth as best as we can.
It is the suppression of the process o find that turth that is not honest or fair.
 
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KMC:
First, Dr. Ford should be afforded the opportunity to make her case. Nobody, especially Sen Hirono, should be making any comments as to the believability or lackthereof of Dr. Ford or Judge Kavanaugh. Agreed?
Almost. I don; see why, of all of those spouting off, you single out Sen, Hirono.
Because as I was reading the news I came across her asinine comment. Its a statement worthy of derision.
There were other asinine statements by others…
 
For everyone here, with this statement by Cristina King Miranda. This tweet has been deleted.

After throwing hand grenade into the Kavanaugh debate, classmate of Christine Blasey Ford now ‘not sure’ she’s ‘interested in pursuing’​

Posted at 10:14 am on September 19, 2018 by Greg

Earlier we told you about Cristina King Miranda, a classmate of Judge Brett Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford, who threw a hand grenade into the news cycle with this now-deleted tweet that alleged that “the incident was spoken about for days afterwords [sic] in school.”
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018...ord-now-not-sure-shes-interested-in-pursuing/

So, when a story comes out and then, it becomes another story that is shot down, people are going to say, let’s just go forward and get things done.

 
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Ford is a hero for making an accusation, which makes Kavanaugh guilty because he…has been accused.
For one, John24, Post #73: “Ford is a hero.”
What are you suggesting, that the allegations be summarily dismissed?
I don’t suggest things, I state them outright, and since I have never said such a thing there is no reason to assume I believe it.

The process should be according to our standards of justice. The accused has a right to face his accuser.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him… (US Constitution, Article VI)

This, by the way, is not merely a legalism applicable only to criminal prosecutions. It is a matter of justice, not simply the rules of law.
 
For one, John24, Post #73: “Ford is a hero.”
What you wrote contains what @John24 wrote, but leaves out the context of what he said in post#69, and adds to it things that he did not say. Anyone else you would like to try?
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him… (US Constitution, Article VI)
Were Kavanaugh to face a criminal prosecution, he will certainly be able to face his accuser.
 
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Well, now there’s “proof.”
Who called this proof. And proof of what? We had been discussion the possibility of an investigation and what woulg be investigated. Now there is a claim that the matter was discussed at the time among many in the Ford’s high-school. Others may also remember, may be able to fix the date - a key fact that could totally exculpate Kavanaugh or bolster the case against him.
 
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That right applies in a criminal trial. Kavanaugh is not charged with a crime and is not on trial in a criminal court. So that right does not apply.
Again, this is where the conversation has sunk: Kavanaugh is not charged with a crime so that he is treated unfairly is irrelevant.
It has not been shown that such treatment is unfair. What is fairness when being considered for Justice of the Supreme Court? How is presenting accusations that have been presented “unfair?”
How does politics recover from this mindset?
Perhaps by setting aside political cartoons?
 
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What you wrote contains what @John24 wrote, but leaves out the context of what he said in post#69, and adds to it things that he did not say. Anyone else you would like to try?
Yes, and I left out everything he said in all of his other posts as well inasmuch as I was concerned with demonstrating one thing only: there are those (e.g. John24) who consider Ford a hero. That you can contemplate a context where “Ford is a hero” means something other than what it plainly says is a problem. If words don’t have particular meaning then debate is impossible.
Were Kavanaugh to face a criminal prosecution, he will certainly be able to face his accuser.
There could hardly be a more complete expression of indifference to simple fairness than this. If truth is a concern, facing ones accuser is paramount. If truth is not a concern, then…whatever.
 
one thing only: there are those (e.g. John24) who consider Ford a hero.
If that were the case you might have siad so, instead of saying:
Ford is a hero for making an accusation, which makes Kavanaugh guilty because he…has been accused.
There could hardly be a more complete expression of indifference to simple fairness than this
On the contrary, a similar investigation might turn up facts that make the further, adversarial proceedings unnecessary. It may be unpleasant to be accused and investigated, but it is not unfair.
 
What has been said is still affirmed, whatever the fate of straw men set up by those seeking to discredit stories before investigation of facts.
No, that’s the problem, it was not affirmed. There are inconsistencies in her story. She actually damages Blasey-Ford’s version of events.
 
Perhaps by setting aside political cartoons?
The great irony here is that someone thought that because Judge Moore was defended by our legal principles, and who later turned out to be guilty, that this somehow suggests that Kavanaugh is a miscreant as well because someone had the temerity to suggest that those same principles of justice should be applied to him.

Our standards are reduced to those of the Pirate Code where “the code is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules.” And this on in particular: “The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can’t do.” That last one surely captures what is going on here.
 
There could hardly be a more complete expression of indifference to simple fairness than this
My comment was actually made in response to your assertion that Kavanaugh would surely be able to face his accuser were he to be criminally prosecuted, leaving unanswered the question of whether that was a right he possessed in this case.

Just to clear up this point: does Kavanaugh in this setting have a right as a matter of justice to confront his accuser?
 
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