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Anybody else noticing how the focus on Kavanaugh has changed over the past couple of days from unprovable allegations of sexual assault to unprovable allegations of excessive drinking in high school and college? Kind of odd really. I can see why people wouldn’t want someone guilty of sexual assault on the Supreme Court, but who cares how much a 50 something year old man may have drank in high school or college?
 
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Ender said:
The meaning of refute is not in question
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I know, I was just marveling about how silly this argument has become. We’re back to the days of, “it depends on what the meaning of is, is.”
 
dvdjs said:
the four witnesses present have all said it didn’t happen”.

He knows what they actually said. He knows it isn’t this. And as a judge, he certainly knows the difference.
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Here are the exact statements of the witnesses:

Mark Judge: “ I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes .”
PJ Smyth: “I have never witnessed any improper conduct by Brett Kavanaugh towards women .”
Leland Keyser (via her lawyer): “ Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford, ”

Yes, Keyser said she has no recollection of ever attending a party with Kavanaugh, but the other two explicitly said they never saw Kavanaugh act as Ford alleged. It is still, apparently, reasonable to assume that Keyser attended a party with her best friend, saw her attacked, but has no recollection whatever that it ever happened.

I think we can all appreciate how the defendants in colonial Salem felt when trying to prove their innocence.
 
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Here are the exact statements of the witnesses:
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If you want to post “exact statements”, the please post exact statements.
If you want ot post selected pieces excised from exact statements please label them as such.
 
dvdjs said:
If you want to post “exact statements”, the please post exact statements.
If you want ot post selected pieces excised from exact statements please label them as such.
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Nothing in the remainder of their statements alters in any way the meaning of the portions I cited. Those citations are the central statements of their sworn testimony.
 
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Nothing in the remainder of their statements alters in any way the meaning of the portions I cited. Those citations are the central statements of their sworn testimony.
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I don’t think so. In any case, they are not “exact”.

Judge discusses his lack of recollection, which his book expounds upon in detail.
Does PJ deny the gathering, or only, consistent with Ford, that he did not witness that, or any other alleged assault?
Keyser supports Ford.

The words are the kind said through lawyers. It;s good tha they are all being questions
 
ucfengr said:
Anybody else noticing how the focus on Kavanaugh has changed over the past couple of days
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Since there is no there, there, when it comes to sexual assault the new tactic is to catch him perjuring himself.
dvdjs said:
his testimony is riddled with false and misleading statements, including: “… the four witnesses present have all said it didn’t happen”.
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It’s no longer about sexual assault.
The focus now will be on if Kavanaugh assualted vocabulary or a sentence structure.
 
ucfengr said:
Anybody else noticing how the focus on Kavanaugh has changed over the past couple of days from unprovable allegations of sexual assault to unprovable allegations of excessive drinking in high school and college? Kind of od
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I think that you are missing the crux of the matter.
Dr. Ford deserved to be heard, not dismissed.
The problem after the testimony is that the judge not only denies the allegations of assault, but denied essentially every blemish to a point of lost credibility and potential perjury. Questions have been raised on prior occasisions abut his truthfulness under oath. They are raised again and under investigation. Dismissing this as being about high school drinking is like dismissing the Watergate scandal as a third-rate burglary.
 
dvdjs said:
I think that you are missing the crux of the matter.
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A better description of the crux of the matter is throwing excrement against a wall and hoping some of it sticks…

Sexual assault is blown, so we say he lied about drinking. Not about drinking exactly, which he admits to, but the complete subjective topic of whether he mischaracterized how much he drink. Was it a lot or a whole lot? Did he black out or just get tired? Since their are no breathalyzer tests, we have to rely on the non-expert opinion of a bunch of other high school kids who were also drinking. It’s all bovine excrement.
 
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dvdjs said:
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the accusing party declines to produce supporting evidence that she herself asserts exists
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That seems to be an important issue.
What would you have said had Ford declined to testify?
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She said an event happened but refuses to provide corroborating evidence. Has she provided the therapy notes, even though she has waived confidentiality ?
 
dvdjs said:
Judge discusses his lack of recollection, which his book expounds upon in detail.
Does PJ deny the gathering, or only, consistent with Ford, that he did not witness that, or any other alleged assault?
Keyser supports Ford.
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Judge suggested no lack of recollection in his statement that he never witnessed what Ford alleged. There is no rational way to spin that. His lack of recollection of other details is irrelevant to what he does remember: he never saw Kavanaugh do what he was charged with.

Smyth is not consistent with Ford, unless you see one person saying “He was there, he saw Kavanaugh do it” and another one saying “I never saw Kavanaugh do anything like that” as somehow consistent.

Nor did Keyser’s statement support Ford’s statement, unless you think “I have no recollection of ever being at the same party as Kavanaugh” is supportive.

This is a claim that up is down, and no means yes. This demonstrates how much ones ideology can warp ones thinking.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Why do you continue to maintain that unsubstantiated allegations are destroying Kavanaugh’s livelihood?
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Oops.

We are alumni of Harvard Law School. We write to ask that the Law School rescind Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh’s appointment as the Samuel Williston Lecturer on Law, and that he not be allowed to teach on the January 2019 Winter Term.
 
Ford weaponized her mind, but did an incomplete job of it … to create a false personal history … so that her false “belief” … that Kavanaugh had assaulted her … collapsed under cross examination by Rachel Mitchell.

Ford’s belief has been strengthened by the results of at least two “GoFundMe” efforts which thus far have produced nearly $1,000,000.

But the FACTS were not strengthened.
 
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Wow easy for you to sit back and determine rhat his life hasn’t been destroyed. Such lack of compassion for the sake of political partisanship is just stunning!
 
MonteRCMS said:
Ford’s belief has been strengthened by the results of at least two “GoFundMe” efforts which thus far have produced nearly $1,000,000.
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That should fund expanding that home business, the real reason they built that second front door.
 
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Nor did Keyser’s statement support Ford’s statement, unless you think “I have no recollection of ever being at the same party as Kavanaugh” is supportive.
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Along with how is it? She doesn’t even know who he is. That would really convict someone in a court of law!
 
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Judge suggested no lack of recollection in his statement that he never witnessed what Ford alleged.
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Yes, and that is a huge red flag. No recollection about the event at which he supposedly witnessed the behavior. Certain that the behavior never happened. I am glad that he is being questioned by trained FBI investigators.
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Smyth is not consistent with Ford, unless you see one person saying “He was there, he saw Kavanaugh do it”
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Did Ford claim that PHJ witnessed the assault? If not, his declaration that he did not witness the assault does not contradict Ford.
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Nor did Keyser’s statement support Ford’s statement
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I said that she supported Ford., and think he statement that she believes Ford (omitted from you post) is supportive.
 
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