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All of this is serious, security has been boosted in the nation’s capitol. Hey, people, I just hope no one gets hurt or worse. This is all a concocted problem. No truth in it imho.
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Retired Justice John Paul Stevens believes as you do, so yes, you (and I) are in quite good company.
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A child claims to have been molested by a parent, a coach, a teacher, a priest. There is no evidence beyond the child’s claim. Do you view those who accept the allegation as entirely discarding the concept of justice?
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Victoria33
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Is the child a dedicated Democrat activist?
Is their statement full of mistruths?
Does the child claim witnesses but even the most friendly, a lifelong friend has no recollection of this.
Has the child profited from a Democrat special interest such as abortion, of which Dr. Ford has?
Maybe it would serve everyone if the example actually compared.
This seems to be ultimately playing the victim to the highest degree.
Is it a Christian act, to drag people’s names through the mud?
Can the child’s story serve some other purpose such as would it deny someone a job?
Does this country have a history of lynch mobs that hung people with no trial and who were innocent? Were many of those lynchings carried out by Democrats?
Were those lynchings just if they were based in only allegations?
A fair comparison, not apples to oranges. Not a woman to a child!
Case-by-case basis.
As Senator Flake said, we should listen to the victims and empathize with them. A place like Washington, D.C. though, such accusations can serve a purpose.
By-the-way, to all, you got your investigation. Not happy yet? Why am I not surprised.
It seems Judge Anthony Kennedy warned of where this was going. To quote someone and say, “oh, look Justice Stephens says this”, well, this tactic can be used for anything.
Note as well, one member accuses others of ad homs; yet, had no problem claiming the whole other side was looking at this blindly.
Is their statement full of mistruths?
Does the child claim witnesses but even the most friendly, a lifelong friend has no recollection of this.
Has the child profited from a Democrat special interest such as abortion, of which Dr. Ford has?
Maybe it would serve everyone if the example actually compared.
This seems to be ultimately playing the victim to the highest degree.
Is it a Christian act, to drag people’s names through the mud?
Can the child’s story serve some other purpose such as would it deny someone a job?
Does this country have a history of lynch mobs that hung people with no trial and who were innocent? Were many of those lynchings carried out by Democrats?
Were those lynchings just if they were based in only allegations?
A fair comparison, not apples to oranges. Not a woman to a child!
Case-by-case basis.
As Senator Flake said, we should listen to the victims and empathize with them. A place like Washington, D.C. though, such accusations can serve a purpose.
By-the-way, to all, you got your investigation. Not happy yet? Why am I not surprised.
It seems Judge Anthony Kennedy warned of where this was going. To quote someone and say, “oh, look Justice Stephens says this”, well, this tactic can be used for anything.
Note as well, one member accuses others of ad homs; yet, had no problem claiming the whole other side was looking at this blindly.
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The Democrats are playing with fire. Someone could get hurt or worse from their antics.
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Kavanaugh Allegations are Psychological Terrorism and it’s Time They End ⋆ Conservative Firing Line
Our country is being terrorized with this. Literally, of course, these stories of Doxxing and the Democrats basically resorting to statements that may incite violence, harrassment or other illegal acts seem to strangely be absent of the Dr. Ford defenders.
Yes, I am in good company with Alan Dershowitz:
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...cused-of-being-communists-e2-80-99/ar-BBNV5ed
Kavanaugh Battle: Prelude to an American-Style French Revolution?
Kavanaugh Battle: Prelude to an American-Style French Revolution?
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Kavanaugh Allegations are Psychological Terrorism and it’s Time They End ⋆ Conservative Firing Line
Kavanaugh Allegations are Psychological Terrorism and it's Time They End ⋆ Conservative Firing Line
The Democrats' real goal is psychological terrorism—that is, engaging in a scorched-earth effort to destroy the target, which happens to be Brett Kavanaugh.
conservativefiringline.com
Our country is being terrorized with this. Literally, of course, these stories of Doxxing and the Democrats basically resorting to statements that may incite violence, harrassment or other illegal acts seem to strangely be absent of the Dr. Ford defenders.
Yes, I am in good company with Alan Dershowitz:
Dershowitz: Kavanaugh dispute is 'all about partisanship'; Ann Coulter talks Trump derangement syndrome on 'The View'
Guests: Francey Hakes, Lou Dobbs, Richard Goodstein, Alan Dershowitz, Dave Portnoy, Ann Coulter, Steve Doocy
www.foxnews.com
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...cused-of-being-communists-e2-80-99/ar-BBNV5ed
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Of course you do, that being the current meme being floated by those who, seeing the Ford tale crumble, need to latch onto something else to justify opposing him. His judicial temperament has been on display during his twelve years on the bench, and it has been impeccable. Not that that matters to those who opposed him before his name was even announced.
This slanderous attack was personal, and a vehement, impassioned response was in every way justified. The “I don’t think he has the temperament” excuse is on the level of “I don’t like his socks.”
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That seems to me to be highly melodramatic. Most people just don’t care. And it’s the fault of Republicans, including Kavanaugh. He could have been totally truthful from the outset. He could have remained calm and dignified during questioning. And please don’t give me the thing about “his reputation was being destroyed.” His harsh words and undignified manner came when he was delivering a prepared speech he READ. They were not the words of righteous anger, uttered spontaneously. He MEANT to come off as sexist and partisan as he did. He CRAFTED the words.
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He has done NO WRONG. You got an investigation.
I’m sorry, I attempt to be Catholic and Christian. Why argue for the party of abortion? Why trust anything that comes from the Democrats? The historic home of the Ku Klux Klan, created by Democrats. This whole process is more like a psychological lynching.
Additionally, I will make no further comment on this particular matter.
It seems some are not fully informed on the facts, that is no one’s fault.
The Democrats’ recent acts can even be seen, and I mean acts of a few, to be incitement of violence. Threads showing this abuse, seem to have no comment by those who claim to be so interested in justice. This is all partisanship really.
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If after an investigation there is nothing whatever to corroborate the story, if all the people the child said saw the incident deny any knowledge of it, then yes, it would be unjust to act as if what he said was true.
As I said, what is the alternative? Either facts matter or they don’t. Either you require evidence or you pick and choose who to believe based on nothing more than personal preference. Is that really a system of justice you would prefer to live under?
But let’s also be quite clear that how we treat children is quite different from how we treat adults, and safeguards that may be appropriate for children are not appropriate in the adult world. Are you suggesting that we treat Ford like a child?
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Please try to refrain from telling me what I think. I don’t care. I don’t really care if Kavanaugh is confirmed or not. I agree with Retired Justice John Paul Stevens that Kavanaugh is “too emotional” to be a justice, but I’m also mature enough to know every little thing can’t go my way. In the grand scheme of things, for me, a Supreme Court justice I don’t like means little-to-nothing to me. I can’t even name the full court. So please do NOT tell me how I think. That is hubris on your part and does not win anyone over to your side.
I guess you missed my post in which I said I believed Ford at first, but now I see too many red flags to believe her without some corroboration. That does not mean I think Kavanaugh is a good pick. I think he’s a Trump lackey, a hothead, and does not respect women, but time will tell. And I’m not a feminist, not would I ever seek an abortion.
I care FAR, FAR more that the Chicago Cubs finally won the World Series a few years ago!
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Your response seems a bit peevish, and this was because I ridiculed your argument? My, what might you have said had I accused you of something actually serious, like attempted rape? Would an impassioned response have been justified, or would that be too undignified?
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No, I did not.
Please stop spreading misinformation. The Ku Klux Klan was created by former Confederates and has NO party affiliation. Just because it is anti-Catholic does NOT make it “Democratic.” Are you racist? Do you believe the Jews killed Christ and by extension I did because I am Jewish? Democrats and Repubs today have nothing to do with the Ku Klux Klan. To even bring that up smacks of desperation.
I do not believe Ford. I don’t care if Kavanaugh had a school drinking problem. I DO care that he delivered a CAREFULLY CRAFTED speech, which he READ, in which he showed himself to be a hothead and very unsympathetic to women, and I’m not even a feminist. However, whether he’s confirmed or not always meant little-to-nothing to me. I can’t even name the full Supreme Court. As I told someone else, I care FAR MORE that the Chicago Cubs finally won a World Series and that I’m in good voice today than about Kavanaugh.
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ConstantLearner
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If you accused me of attempted rape, I think you were nuts. I’m a woman.
And I only read one or two lines of your post, so I don’t know if you ridiculed anything or not and don’t really care.
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ConstantLearner
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I actually agree with you on this. Ford is a middle-aged college professor. She should know better than to make unsubstantiated accusations. I’m not Repub, and even I don’t believe her. So maybe the Senate only allowed her and Kavanaugh to testify. She could have at least gotten a sworn statement. She could have turned over the therapist’s notes. She should have known she wouldn’t have been believed.
I don’t know if the incident happened or not. Since there is zero corroboration, I’ll have to believe Kavanaugh, but I still think he lacks the temperament to be a Supreme Court justice. I stand with John Paul Stevens on that.
Nor do I believe this was a Democratic conspiracy. That’s melodramatic. I think it was a woman looking for her “fifteen minutes of fame” and a few other perks I don’t think it’s proper to mention here. She did not exhibit the traits of a woman with PTSD, I do know that.
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Whatever Ford’s reasons were for making this charge against Kavanaugh, the way the Democrats used it should surely be condemned. Feinstein sat on the charge for almost two months before bringing it before the committee, and even after it was presented she still didn’t give even the chairman of the committee an unredacted copy of the letter for weeks. The hearing was an orchestrated circus, starting with the clowns who had to be ejected from the committee room for their intemperate outbursts.
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Victoria33
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Some seem to be sensitive and say others use ad homs, then, has little problem painting a whole side as being blind. A child being compared to a young lady is used. We only have the weakest of accusations that don’t even merit a trial, yet, you have people being arrested outright with solid evidence, doing rather invasive things and not one word about it. I don’t mean to repeat myself. I will not be argumentative. The things about forums is stating one’s opinions, not necessarily, debating. Debating must be done in good faith and good will.
If the alt-right is defined by the likes of Richard Spencer, I want nothing to do with it. As I’ve said often here, identity politics, regardless of its source, is racism.
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Yes, Feinstein should have told Ford she could not keep the letter confidential at all, for any length of time, if Ford wrote the letter. It contains so many grammar mistakes, I find it difficult to believe a college professor wrote it. Feinstein was acting stupidly and unprofessionally to keep it for weeks, if that was the scenario. At this point, I really don’t believe many in Congress, Democrat or Republican. If Feinstein kept the letter for weeks, she did no one any favors.
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I agree with you regarding identity politics and racism.
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What is interesting about this is what it suggests for a possible assault on a woman’s reputation should one be nominated to the Supreme Court (by Trump). Suppose a man accused her of acting like Ford claims she did. What would it say about a young woman’s morals and judgment if she were to go to a private party with four guys and no other girls, where there would be underage drinking with no chaperone? A woman may not credibly be accused of attempted rape but could readily be accused of slutty behavior and egregiously poor judgment. Personal destruction by slanderous accusations are available for either gender should someone choose to use them.
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