Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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exnihilo said:
No the left always gets its way and the right is always selling out. That is why I’ve given up on politics and voting. The Republican party sells itself as useful because the SCOTUS will reign in liberal politics. In fact it was a Republican court that invented a right of abortion. History is Republican nominees have never stood in the way of the expansion of the state. This current court is 5-4 Republican appointees. A Republican court said the government can force you to buy health insurance.

The only way to stop the evil that is the US government is to withdraw consent which simply means ignoring these people who claim to have power over us. Why anyone would pay attention to the lunatics who happen to have seats on this court I dont know.

Hard to see how it could since Romney believes in mandates and signed it into law in his state. Romney’s campaign speeches make a claim that is at odds with his very recent past.
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States can do whatever they want (a bit of hyperbole). This is a Federal law. Completely different animal.
 
Welcome to the Peoples Republic of America. We are now officially Communists.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
Given the chart I just saw in the NYT (link is on their home page, next to today’s story about the ruling), this law overwhelmingly benefits very poor people, in that the huge proportional shift from Uninsured to Insured will occur in the Medicaid segment. Medicaid coverage, as I read it (open to correction!) will be 133% of the federal poverty level. That breaks down (2012 figures) as follows:

Family Size 1 Individual = $14,856
2 individuals = 20,123
3 individuals = 25,390
4 … = 30,657
5 … = 35,923
6 … = 41,190

Raise your hand if you think this represents “the middle class.” In my region, these income levels equate to homelessness.

The rest of the NYT chart showed > numbers of middle class now being covered. It’s a token amount, particularly compared to the benefit for the above group. In the middle is the benefit to Exchanges. Indirectly, that could affect premiums in that it would introduce competition, albeit from gov’t sources (States). So that could have an eventual favorable benefit to the middle class who buys traditional insurance, but I question how immediate & how far-reaching that will be.

Correct if if I’m wrong: I thought that one of the central points of this ACA measure was to provide more affordable coverage options for the full-time working middle class, large numbers of which forego coverage currently because they cannot afford the $400+ premiums for individuals – never mind astronomical premiums for whole families. It was not my impression that very few middle class working families are currently not insured, whereas the bulk of the uninsured is overwhelmingly those in the statistical poverty level.
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A single individual who has a full time minimum wage job will already be over the guidelines. Nice.
 
If you haven’t believed it before, believe it now: Welcome to the United States of Amerika.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Tea Party won’t forget. Pyrric victory
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Protesters at Supreme Court react to Obamacare decision: ‘We will not comply’
A message to the IRS,” tea party leader Keli Carrender of Seattle screamed into a microphone. “We will not comply with this unconstitutional tax. So you might as well just come over and get me now. Because I ain’t paying it.”
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The crowd began to chant, “We will not comply, we will not comply.”
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Others told The Daily Caller that they were shocked that the justices upheld the individual health insurance mandate as a tax law. Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillip, carrying a ball in his hands, expressed disappointment.
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“I brought a football to spike, but I don’t think I’m going to need to now,” he told TheDC.
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dailycaller.com/2012/06/28/protesters-at-supreme-court-react-to-obamacare-decision-we-will-not-comply/#ixzz1z6cW85UF

Will the Court Revitalize the Tea Party?

weeklystandard.com/blogs/will-court-revitalize-tea-party_647931.html
 
The passing of Obamacare gave us the midterm landslide.

I guarantee you that frustration at this ruling will give us Tea Party Repeat Plus.
 
masondoggy said:
Not only that, but has there ever been such a drastic tax increase that would affect the middle class?

Good grief, I am sick to my stomach. I can only hope that this will increase support for Romney. This mandate is NOT popular with voters.
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Apart from the merits of the policy, I think, politically speaking, this decision will energize the Republican base. I also believe that if the mandate, or parts of it, had been struck down, that would have energized Obama supporters. So, the GOP defeat on Obama health care may actually help Romney’s bid for President. (Of course, it may also have exactly the OPPOSITE effect!)
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
The passing of Obamacare gave us the midterm landslide.

I guarantee you that frustration at this ruling will give us Tea Party Repeat Plus.
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I hope you are right becase we have a much larger job ahead of us than merely repealing Obamacare.
 
cyguy said:
Evil disguises itself very well. The masses have grown immune to the constant barage, by the media, and the devil is winning. Our morals and culture are in the sewer and we need a miracle. As the patron Saint of the United States, I implore the Virgin Mary to rescue us from evil and save our country. Please pray the Hail Mary today as our country continues its decline!
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Pray without ceasing:gopray2::gopray2::gopray2:
 
I am saying a prayer of remembering and gratitude today for a family member who went into bankruptcy due to an illness, for all the families that will now be able to get health care access without going bankrupt, for the children and adults who no longer can be denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions, for the seniors who won’t have to skip medications because they are now more affordable, for the people who will no longer have their premiums jacked up once they get sick until they can’t afford their insurance anymore, for the small businesses who will get tax credits to help them afford insurance for their employees, for the hundreds of thousands who have died in the US for lack of health care access in the old, dark days before health care reform, and for the cause of putting American’s basic health and health care ahead of profits.

And then…!
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
I hope you are right becase we have a much larger job ahead of us than merely repealing Obamacare.
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Agree. Remember, though, that a Romney victory means
  1. the Mexico City policy
  2. repeal of Obamacare
  3. lowering tax rates
  4. 1-2 SCOTUS justices (at least)
  5. trillions of dollars “parked” will be invested. No reason that we can’t have a “Reagan turnaround” in 2 years (maybe less).
 
Mitt Romney Cashing In On Supreme Court Healthcare Ruling
According to Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul the Supreme Court decision upholding President Barack Obama’s healthcare reform law led to a windfall for Mitt Romney. Ms. Saul told The Politicker supporters donated at least $100,000 in the 50 minutes between the immediate aftermath of the ruling, which was issued at approximately 10:10 a.m. Shortly before 11:30, Ms. Saul said the total donations had reached over
$300,000.
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“Fundraising for @MittRomney ticks up to $300k since decision came down. #FullRepeal,” Ms. Saul wrote on Twitter
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politicker.com/2012/06/mitt-romney-raised-100k-in-less-than-an-hour-after-the-supreme-court-healthcare-ruling

Romney has raised $375000 Andrea Saul tweeted 15 minutes ago.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Agree. Remember, though, that a Romney victory means
  1. the Mexico City policy
  2. repeal of Obamacare
  3. lowering tax rates
  4. 1-2 SCOTUS justices (at least)
  5. trillions of dollars “parked” will be invested. No reason that we can’t have a “Reagan turnaround” in 2 years (maybe less).
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Maybe…who knows what he’ll do once he gets in office. He certainly has an interesting record following him.

And frankly, Romald Reagan couldn’t win a Republican primary these days running on his own record.
 
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