Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

[Scott_Lafrance]

Well I guess we now know what those 5100 IRS agents will be doing.

I Americans hate this thing now, wait until this army of new Tax Collectors come stomping around making sure you’ve taken your vitamins.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

You are also going to kill the insurance companies and turn it into a single payer system, which was Obama’s plan all along.

The SCOTUS just handed 2012 to the Republicans. They should send him a card. They’ve given Romnay and the Republicans everything they need for campaign material for the next 5 months and forced Democrats to go on record to defend the biggest tax increase on the middle class and the poor in modern history.

Without question. And you don’t raise taxes in a rec(depr)ession.

 

[Joe_5859]

Yup. It disappoints me a great deal that it sure seems that the good Bishops only became incensed when it was their ox being gored.

May not be actually be that way, but it sure seems so.

It only seems that way because of the frequency with which the media has reported on the issue. Two and ahalf years ago, the bishops were saying that they could not support “Obamacare” in its current form. They’ve been calling for the recission of the HHS mandate since at least last August (five months before it was on most people’s radar screens).

The reason it seems like the bishops don’t speak up more is because we seldom pay attention to them when they do.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

If you had another President, they would have jobs, and wouldn’t need their parents’ insurance.

Our side can speculate, too

College students generally don’t get part time jobs which include health insurance.

Also, the health insurance crisis has been a growing problem for the past 20 years.

There were 40 million people without health insurance and corporations were complaining about the rising cost to insure their employees.

You can turn a blind eye to the problem, which people who have health care coverage tend to do, or look at it and try to figure a way to solve it. This is what Obama did, and people will be thanking him, before it’s over.

Jim

 

[ringil]

You are also going to kill the insurance companies and turn it into a single payer system, which was Obama’s plan all along.
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I, for one, wouldn’t mind that a bit.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

It only seems that way because of the frequency with which the media has reported on the issue. Two and ahalf years ago, the bishops were saying that they could not support “Obamacare” in its current form. They’ve been calling for the recission of the HHS mandate since at least last August (five months before it was on most people’s radar screens).

The reason it seems like the bishops don’t speak up more is because we seldom pay attention to them when they do.

Joe, I deeply appreciate the correction. You just made me feel better. Thank you:thumbsup:

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Health care rationing?

Never heard of it, nor seen it.

However, fact is, parents now have their children on their health insurance coverage, until age 26.

People with expensive health issues, can’t be dropped and people with pre-existing conditions, can get health insurance at the same rate as healthy people. Take away this benefit and you’re essentially telling the sick, to die, because they’re too expensive to keep alive.

Jim

Our pastor was helping elderly couples back before Christmas arrange for surgeries early before certain provisions of the ACA came into effect before they were put on a “no fly” list because the treatments they needed were considered not cost effective. He made this claim, on the pulpit, during Mass. Either he is telling the truth to make people aware of it, or he is using the pulpit during Holy Mass to make a false political statement. You decide. And he hasn’t been rebuked by the bishop for it either and its been 7 months.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

My guess is based on the need for Catholic votes.

Your guess is that the bishops and Obama will agree to a seperate peace to exempt “religious institutions” and leave Catholics to fend for their own consciences and that this will provide enough of a fig leaf for Obama to reelected.

I hope Catholics are not so stupid.

 

[johnnykins]

It’s done…It’s over.

For good, bad or indifferent we have the Accountable Care Act virtually in its entirety. Congress will not be able to overturn it in any significant way - there will not be the votes to do so. Ditto Romney - he can say what he wants, but the country is way too divided for him, if he were to be elected, to get the votes he’ll need in Congress to do it.

That being said, it’s time to try to get agreement on changes that will make it better. Once the angst of the decision is past, that is the proper response - and only response that will achieve anything.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

College students generally don’t get part time jobs which include health insurance.

Also, the health insurance crisis has been a growing problem for the past 20 years.

There were 40 million people without health insurance and corporations were complaining about the rising cost to insure their employees.

You can turn a blind eye to the problem, which people who have health care coverage tend to do, or look at it and try to figure a way to solve it. This is what Obama did, and people will be thanking him, before it’s over.

Jim

I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Dawnia]

You are also going to kill the insurance companies and turn it into a single payer system, which was Obama’s plan all along.

The SCOTUS just handed 2012 to the Republicans. They should send him a card. They’ve given Romnay and the Republicans everything they need for campaign material for the next 5 months and forced Democrats to go on record to defend the biggest tax increase on the middle class and the poor in modern history.

This going to get expensive if I have to send a wedding card, gravy boat & a thank you card.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I, for one, wouldn’t mind that a bit.

Like I said, we no longer live in the land of the free. One hald of America thinks is it okay to tell the other half what to do with their bodies and their money. Thanks for the slavery.

 

[bcarson]

I’m sure the leftists have already set up a “lock box” account so that every penny of the Obamacare tax revenue will go to healthcare related issues, right? I mean, president Obama eliminated pork and fraud didn’t he?

 

[scipio337]

College students generally don’t get part time jobs which include health insurance.

Also, the health insurance crisis has been a growing problem for the past 20 years.

There were 40 million people without health insurance and corporations were complaining about the rising cost to insure their employees.

You can turn a blind eye to the problem, which people who have health care coverage tend to do, or look at it and try to figure a way to solve it. This is what Obama did, and people will be thanking him, before it’s over.

Jim

Medical professionals don’t like it, and neither does the voting public. As the costs continue to skyrocket (as the CBO continues to assets the true costs, it’s already double), the economic crisis deepens, and Europe continues to wither.

People will be cursing Obama and those who supported this, before it’s over, and I’d put money on it.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

It’s done…It’s over.

For good, bad or indifferent we have the Accountable Care Act virtually in its entirety. Congress will not be able to overturn it in any significant way - there will not be the votes to do so. Ditto Romney - he can say what he wants, but the country is way too divided for him, if he were to be elected, to get the votes he’ll need in Congress to do it.

That being said, it’s time to try to get agreement on changes that will make it better. Once the angst of the decision is past, that is the proper response - and only response that will achieve anything.

All the Republicans need to do is win 51 seats in the Senate and hold the House and Obamacare is done, regardless of who is in the White House.

Its called reconcilliation. its how Harry Reid got it through the Senate in the first place. They don’t even need the President’s signature.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You are also going to kill the insurance companies and turn it into a single payer system, which was Obama’s plan all along.

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Great, because a single payer universal health care system is what we actually need, but Obama knew there was no chance in passing that. He did attempt to put the “government option” in, which would’ve prevented the insurance industry from gouging us, which they’ll do, only not as quickly now that they have the mandate in.

Fact is, the same insurance corporations who are going to benefit greatly from Obama Care, are the same people who spread the false propaganda about Hillary Care, back in 1993.

As long as we maintain a “for profit,” health care system, Obama care is only a band aid to a future problem in that the insurance industry will in fact, raise the premiums beyond the average family’s ability to pay.

Jim

 

[Joe_5859]

If the penalty is now a tax paid to the IRS, Catholic institutions that have to refuse to buy insurance covering contraception, sterilzation, and abortion inducing drugs to remain Catholic, will be directly taxed by the federal government. Is that what Obama meant to do? If these institutions are no longer tax exempt, are they free to engage in partisan politics? This is a mess than needs to be fixed and never should have happened in the first place.

I think this might be confusing two separate issues. The Individual Mandate “tax” that has come to light via today’s decision is a tax on individuals without health insurance, not on corporate entities or non-profits. As far as I can tell, no such entity would be paying this tax.

Is there a separate law that says places of employment must offer health coverage to full-time employees?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Great, because a single payer universal health care system is what we actually need, but Obama knew there was no chance in passing that. He did attempt to put the “government option” in, which would’ve prevented the insurance industry from gouging us, which they’ll do, only not as quickly now that they have the mandate in.

Fact is, the same insurance corporations who are going to benefit greatly from Obama Care, are the same people who spread the false propaganda about Hillary Care, back in 1993.

As long as we maintain a “for profit,” health care system, Obama care is only a band aid to a future problem in that the insurance industry will in fact, raise the premiums beyond the average family’s ability to pay.

Jim

I didn’t think that you were a proponent of slavery.

 

[mary_bobo]

College students generally don’t get part time jobs which include health insurance.

Also, the health insurance crisis has been a growing problem for the past 20 years.

There were 40 million people without health insurance and corporations were complaining about the rising cost to insure their employees.

You can turn a blind eye to the problem, which people who have health care coverage tend to do, or look at it and try to figure a way to solve it. This is what Obama did, and people will be thanking him, before it’s over.

Jim

Don’t think people are going to be thanking him when they find out just what kind of care they are going to get. Decisions will be made by government entities as to who and what kind of care people get. The patients and the doctors have been left totally out of this equation. There are ways to fix the problem for those who did not have insurance, thru no fault of their own, without dismantling the whole system and lowering the delivery of the finest medical care in the world to the lowest common denominator. The excellent care that Americans have come to expect will be a thing of the past if this abomination is allowed to stand.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Our pastor was helping elderly couples back before Christmas arrange for surgeries early before certain provisions of the ACA came into effect before they were put on a “no fly” list because the treatments they needed were considered not cost effective. He made this claim, on the pulpit, during Mass. Either he is telling the truth to make people aware of it, or he is using the pulpit during Holy Mass to make a false political statement. You decide. And he hasn’t been rebuked by the bishop for it either and its been 7 months.

Oh I see, the priest gave the medical reasons why the woman shouldn’t have surgery and that means rationing, eh?

Jim