Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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I, for one, think that this is a great decision. The SCOTUS invalidated the use of the commerce clause as justification for the FEDGOV to do as they will. That is huge (and is not being reported, btw)

Construing the Commerce Clause to permit Congress to regulate individuals precisely because they are doing nothing would open a new and potentially vast domain to congressional authority. Congress already possesses expansive power to regulate what people do. Upholding the Affordable Care Act under the Commerce Clause would give Congress the same license to regulate what people do not do. The Framers knew the difference between doing something and doing nothing. They gave Congress the power to regulate commerce, not to compel it. Ignoring that distinction would undermine the principle that the Federal Government is a government of limited and enumerated powers. The individual mandate thus cannot be sustained under Congress’s power to “regulate Commerce.”

Also, another tremendous part of the decision is that the court invalidated the Medicaid expansion.

Yes, the court upheld the mandate… .as a tax…but, when employers start to drop coverage for their folks and others start laying off people, that will be quickly fixed. Many folks are already resentful because of what has happened to their premiums due to Obamacare. When the other shoe drops, it will be almost impossible, politically, to support it.

For immediate purposes, I fully grant that the decision is pretty grim. But there are some little gems in there that need to be considered.
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Good points.
 
Liberal ABC says the Supreme Court ruling could be a win for Romney

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/why-the-supreme-court-decision-could-be-a-win-win-for-mitt-romney-the-note

Matthew Schmitz has an interesting views on Roberts’ decision and roe vs wade

Healthcare Vote Makes It Easier to Mothball Roe v. Wade
John Roberts joins the Supreme Court’s liberal wing to uphold the health care law. Had the court struck down all or part of the law, there would have been massive political blowback from the media, Congress, and the White House itself. The Court, of course, is not just a judicial body but also a political one. Overruling the healthcare law would have cost it a massive amount of political capital and prestige.
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My cautious hope, then, is that this decision gives Roberts the psychological and political leeway needed to lead the Court in unwinding once and for all our unjust, abhorrent regime of legally sanctioned and publicly celebrated abortion.
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firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/28/healthcare-vote-makes-it-easier-to-mothball-roe-v-wade
 
A Reading from the Second Book of Kings:
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At that time the officials of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon,
attacked Jerusalem, and the city came under siege.
Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon,
himself arrived at the city
while his servants were besieging it.
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Then Jehoiachin, king of Judah, together with his mother,
his ministers, officers, and functionaries,
surrendered to the king of Babylon, who,
in the eighth year of his reign, took him captive.
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And he carried off all the treasures
of the temple of the LORD and those of the palace,
and broke up all the gold utensils that Solomon, king of Israel,
had provided in the temple of the LORD, as the LORD had foretold.
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Today’s reading - how apropos that this ruling should be declared today. Catholics, and all Christians, are in exile. Prepare your hearts, captives…
 
I was telling my husband that this isn’t all bad. The shiny object is the individual mandate, but I think the more vital vote was the medicaid one. The fact that states do NOT have to expand their medicaid programs for those in the middle will force the hand of legislators to address costs at the very least. And single payer, based on this decision, is not in sight, imho. Though it seems like a defeat, I believe that it is a brilliant move and that Roberts, being the “vanilla” swing vote, has a view that is deeper than I think we realize. I think he is a man who can see the longterm consequences of his decisions. No need to start rhetoric now…hold back, now is not the time for it. As a Catholic who votes R usually (not always but 90% of the time) I see this as not being as terrible as others may make it out (or as glorious as liberals make it out).
 
St_Francis said:
The penalty if you don’t pay is considered to be a tax for not having insurance. So all that will probably happen is that all the folks who were unable to afford to buy insurance before will now still be unable to afford to buy insurance, but they will have to pay a tax for not buying insurance.

Thanks, Democrats, for looking out for the little guys!
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And if you don’t pay your tax it goes to the IRS which can add interest to the non payment and can put you in prison when all else fails.

Ah…put in prison one gets free health care.

And I praise all of you who saw Obama for what he was in 2008.👍

And for the rest of you who voted for him and will again do the same there are no words. 🤷
 
mary_bobo said:
As I understand it, there is much discretion left to the HHS Secretary. There are many particulars of the implementation of this bill which she alone will decide. How do you think she will rule on abortion and abortoficiants?
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I find this extremely troublesome. ONE unelected person decides.
 
_Abyssinia said:
There could be the possibility of an executive order of waivers from ObamaCare for 50 states:

campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/romney-and-obamacare-waivers/243076

Attorney says this can be done

conservativesamizdat.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/can-mitt-romney-waive-obamacare-via.html

Or through the Senate which has to be majority Republican, ObamaCare can be dismantled

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/republicans-health-care-repeal-options-reconciliation-filibuster-romney-obama.php
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Thanks.
 
He_Man said:
I didn’t insult your comments. I made a recommendation. You’re reacting way to virulently to posts that aren’t even addressed to you.

And you keep repeating the same thing - gamechanger, gamechanger, gamechnger. We get it - you think it is a gamechanger.
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So, then, stop insulting.
 
gmarie21 said:
I was telling my husband that this isn’t all bad. The shiny object is the individual mandate, but I think the more vital vote was the medicaid one. The fact that states do NOT have to expand their medicaid programs for those in the middle will force the hand of legislators to address costs at the very least. And single payer, based on this decision, is not in sight, imho. Though it seems like a defeat, I believe that it is a brilliant move and that Roberts, being the “vanilla” swing vote, has a view that is deeper than I think we realize. I think he is a man who can see the longterm consequences of his decisions. No need to start rhetoric now…hold back, now is not the time for it. As a Catholic who votes R usually (not always but 90% of the time) I see this as not being as terrible as others may make it out (or as glorious as liberals make it out).
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True. I know my tendency is to want to know right away “Yes or No: Did it pass?” But it’s probably not that simple.
 
SeekNFind said:
I actually care a great deal about the unborn and am pro-LIFE. However, I also care about the plight of the poor and disenfranchised in society which (since we’re generalizing already :rolleyes:) Republicans IMO don’t seem to care about. I am NOT pro-business. I am pro-people. This bill isn’t perfect but it is a huge step forward for poor uninsured and underinsured people.
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And, that opinion will be pushed (as wrong and imperfect as it is) and OBama will be swept to a victory.
 
FromTheAshes777 said:
Prepare my friends, prepare. The precedent that this sets opens up so many possibilities for what the government can legally force people to do. There is a serious persecution coming against the Church and many other people of faith besides Catholics. Pray, study Scripture, read the Saints, be faithful to the Sacraments, prepare for what is coming, and lift up your hearts to the Lord that we may stand fast and true.
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Have the same feelings. And I think the Church knows this. I do not remember a time when the bishops asked for our support in something life Fortnight.
 
The interesting thing is, when you poll people on the individual parts of the law-like being unable to be denied for per-existing conditions and being able to keep your kids on your insurance until they are 26 more people approve of it. If the pollster says "do you like “Obamacare” they say no-not understanding that the things they like ARE parts of it.

It is perfect? FAR from it. So let’s improve it, not just stand with our collective arms folded, stomping our feet and yelling NO!! Let’s hope that the Congress actually does it’s job and works on something BETTER instead of working just for a repeal so they can say they “beat Obama”. They win, but the people lose.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Liberal ABC says the Supreme Court ruling could be a win for Romney

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/06/why-the-supreme-court-decision-could-be-a-win-win-for-mitt-romney-the-note

Matthew Schmitz has an interesting views on Roberts’ decision and roe vs wade

Healthcare Vote Makes It Easier to Mothball Roe v. Wade

firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2012/06/28/healthcare-vote-makes-it-easier-to-mothball-roe-v-wade
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I hope so. Would make this vote worth it, obviously.
 
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