Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

[Luigi_Daniele]

Let me mourn the death of America as a free republic.

However, John Roberts may have tossed the Republicans a bone. All they have to do now is win majority control of the Senate in November and they can repeal Obamacare by reconcilliation without needing Presidential signature. By declaring Obamacare a tax, he made Obama a liar of the first order AND gave the mechanism to repeal this horrific law in the same way it was passed, by a trick of Senate procedure.

Good point.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Single-payer is signed, sealed, and delivered. No one will be providing private insurance in a few years. If you’re not in the exchange, you’re out of business. The gov’t will absolutely be paying for abortions.

Obama Care is private insurance, not public run health care.

You have to purchase health insurance from approved private health insurance companies.

If you can’t afford it, the government will provide a subsidy based on your level of income.

However, because the insurance pools you will be in, now number tens of millions of people, the premiums will be far lower than they are now, where corporations are pooled on their own, with only hundreds of people in the pool.

Jim

 

[seekerz]

That would suck if it were the whole story. As it stands the federal poverty level is $15,130/year for a family of 2. Subsidies will be available for people making up to 4x the FPL, or 60 520/year for a family of 2. Your income is ~175% of the FPL so your out of pocket expense is capped at about 4% of your income. In other words, you will have to buy health insurance, but it will be heavily subsidized, the most you would have to pay is $1,040/year.

How much do you currently spend on health? A single trip to the doctor for anything more serious than strep throat could cost that much. Insurance would easily pay for itself if you needed something as minor as stitches or a cast for a broken bone. Moreover, with health insurance you will have free access to some preventative care and health screenings (because the very same law requires this.)

Stop! You’re dealing with real world situations here and you’re actually addressing the issues that many people face…

 

[JimR-OCDS]

You can get insurance to cover abortions by paying a separate amount, which if you have a policy which covers abortion, you *have *to pay. The thing is, they don’t tell you if the policy includes that or not until *after *you get it.

But it’s the person taking out the separate coverage, not the government paying for it, or religious institutions.

Jim

 

[Dawnia]

That would suck if it were the whole story. As it stands the federal poverty level is $15,130/year for a family of 2. Subsidies will be available for people making up to 4x the FPL, or 60 520/year for a family of 2. Your income is ~175% of the FPL so your out of pocket expense is capped at about 4% of your income. In other words, you will have to buy health insurance, but it will be heavily subsidized, the most you would have to pay is $1,040/year.

How much do you currently spend on health? A single trip to the doctor for anything more serious than strep throat could cost that much. Insurance would easily pay for itself if you needed something as minor as stitches or a cast for a broken bone. Moreover, with health insurance you will have free access to some preventative care and health screenings (because the very same law requires this.)

That “subsidy” is on your taxes as I understand it, which doesn’t help anyone but those already able to afford insurance. And the cap is at 8%, not 4%.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Good point.

I also think he gave Republicans their battlecry for November. My guess is the GOP will gain bigger in the House and gain control of the Senate. Republicans will sing the “Obama wants to control all aspects of your life” for the next 5 months and which the Teleprompter in Chief defend himself against the accusation that he is not a dictator.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The 12 lawsuits are going ahead. Catholic institutions are not going to comply with the mandate and neither should individual employers.

My guess is that the lawsuits will be thrown out, because they are on a mandate as it was when the lawsuit was filed, no longer exist and will once again be modified to be sure religious institutions are not forced to cover the items in the law suit.

Jim

 

[scipio337]

Only the individual mandate/tax/penalty and the medicaid expansion provisions were part of this decision.

Part of the hidden (but important) parts of the Medicaid ruling:

“Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding.”

Several states (MO being one of them) already have an “opt out” law on the books.

 

[bcarson]

From Sarah Palin:

"Thank you, SCOTUS. This Obamacare ruling fires up the troops as America’s eyes are opened! Thank God.

This proves to be such an unsettling time in America as we undergo the fundamental transformation that Barack Obama promised he would do to us if elected. Obamacare was dealt in deception and confusion by flooding the public with an overwhelming amount of conflicting “rationale” via thousands of pages of unread legislative detail, which is the radical left’s M.O. Obama promised the American people this wasn’t a tax and that he’d never raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. We now see that this is the largest tax increase in history. It will slam every business owner and every one of the 50% of Americans who currently pay their taxes. The other 50% are being deceived if they think they’re going to get a free ride – because Medicaid is broke. Recipients of Obama’s “free health care” will have fewer choices and less accessibility. Trust me – this much more expensive health care WILL be rationed; to claim otherwise defies all economic and common sense.

We will not retreat on this. A newly elected legislative branch is key to defending our Republic and fundamentally restoring all that is good in America.

SCOTUS now rules this is a tax? Well, Congress has the ability to create taxes – and also has the ability to rescind them. Upon their return from the July recess, Congress should act immediately to repeal this terrible new tax on the American people, and indeed they must repeal all of Obamacare. This is the most brazen and sweeping new tax and government overreach imposed on us. We the People did not ask for this tax, we do not want this tax, and we can’t afford this tax. This is not an answer to America’s health care challenges.

It’s time, again, for patriotic Americans to rise up to protest this obvious infringement on our economic and personal freedom. November is just around the corner. Today, the Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. In November, We the People will issue ours."

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

I also think he gave Republicans their battlecry for November. My guess is the GOP will gain bigger in the House and gain control of the Senate. Republicans will sing the “Obama wants to control all aspects of your life” for the next 5 months and which the Teleprompter in Chief defend himself against the accusation that he is not a dictator.

I could not agree more.

Passing this junk in the 1st place cost the Dems the House in 2010.

"Re-passing’ it (if you will) will cost them the Senate and the Presidency. Remember that the Senators up for re-election this time really favors the Reps.

 

[irishpatrick]

Cardinal Dolan, and the other Bishops, are being taken to a place where they do not want to go.

For years, the Bishops have been wedded to the American Proposition (originally put forth by the Jesuit John Courtney Murray) - the notion that fundamental American ideals are in lockstep with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Hence the Bishops’ (flawed, IMO) strategy of challenging the healthcare mandate on religious liberty grounds.

The American Bishops are beginning to understand now, that Americanism (with its concepts of individual liberty) and Catholicism are not compatible.

America needs conversion, not religious liberty!

Nonsense. We cannot have conversion without liberty, at least not at the pace we need.

 

[Joe_5859]

My guess is that the lawsuits will be thrown out, because they are on a mandate as it was when the lawsuit was filed, no longer exist and will once again be modified to be sure religious institutions are not forced to cover the items in the law suit.

Jim

Is that true that the “HHS mandate” will need to be rewritten in light of today’s decision? Why would that be?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

From Sarah Palin:

"Thank you, SCOTUS. This Obamacare ruling fires up the troops as America’s eyes are opened! Thank God.

This proves to be such an unsettling time in America as we undergo the fundamental transformation that Barack Obama promised he would do to us if elected. Obamacare was dealt in deception and confusion by flooding the public with an overwhelming amount of conflicting “rationale” via thousands of pages of unread legislative detail, which is the radical left’s M.O. Obama promised the American people this wasn’t a tax and that he’d never raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000. We now see that this is the largest tax increase in history. It will slam every business owner and every one of the 50% of Americans who currently pay their taxes. The other 50% are being deceived if they think they’re going to get a free ride – because Medicaid is broke. Recipients of Obama’s “free health care” will have fewer choices and less accessibility. Trust me – this much more expensive health care WILL be rationed; to claim otherwise defies all economic and common sense.

We will not retreat on this. A newly elected legislative branch is key to defending our Republic and fundamentally restoring all that is good in America.

SCOTUS now rules this is a tax? Well, Congress has the ability to create taxes – and also has the ability to rescind them. Upon their return from the July recess, Congress should act immediately to repeal this terrible new tax on the American people, and indeed they must repeal all of Obamacare. This is the most brazen and sweeping new tax and government overreach imposed on us. We the People did not ask for this tax, we do not want this tax, and we can’t afford this tax. This is not an answer to America’s health care challenges.

It’s time, again, for patriotic Americans to rise up to protest this obvious infringement on our economic and personal freedom. November is just around the corner. Today, the Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. In November, We the People will issue ours."

Thanks for posting this

 

[TheTrueCentrist]

That “subsidy” is on your taxes as I understand it, which doesn’t help anyone but those already able to afford insurance. And the cap is at 8%, not 4%.

Want to provide a citation for that claim? Here is where my numbers came from:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FilePACA_Premium_CRS.jpg

 

[colmywaykurtz]

This is going to boost Romney’s campaign, and the lawsuits against the HHS mandate continue

Romney will repeal ObamaCare

Doubtful, even if he were elected—which he won’t be.

 

[exnihilo]

Um, yeah, the Medicare act was under a Democrat Congress, but keep spreading the lie. It worked in 2008, see if it works again.

The initial act sure was. But I said: ‘in fact the largest expansion of government other than Obamacare happened under Bush II the prescription drug medicare act.’ The prescription drug expansion of medicare was under Bush II and with a Republican House and Senate. There is no need to lie when the facts plainly show the Republicans will promote big government in all its forms when they are in power.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Obama Care is private insurance, not public run health care.

You have to purchase health insurance from approved private health insurance companies.

If you can’t afford it, the government will provide a subsidy based on your level of income.

However, because the insurance pools you will be in, now number tens of millions of people, the premiums will be far lower than they are now, where corporations are pooled on their own, with only hundreds of people in the pool.

This innacurate. Obamacare drafts the health care industry into the service of the state through its various regulations. It’s not government run in the communist sense but in the fascist sense.

As for the rest, let’s all hope we don’t have to find out how wrong such predictions will prove to be.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

RomneyCare did not increase taxes. ObamaCare will create $500 billion plus of new taxes on businesses and individuals.

Romney Care does the same thing as Obama Care.

If you don’t have health insurance, you’re charged an extra tax when you file your state income taxes.

Jim

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

The initial act sure was. But I said: ‘in fact the largest expansion of government other than Obamacare happened under Bush II the prescription drug medicare act.’ The prescription drug expansion of medicare was under Bush II and with a Republican House and Senate. There is no need to lie when the facts plainly show the Republicans will promote big government in all its forms when they are in power.

But…Rx program (which as a pharmacist, I hate, BTW), did not add a nickel to the deficit. It pays for itself (or did, the last time I checked).

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I keep hearing about how Romney has promised to repeal “Obamacare” on Day 1. Would he even have the authority to do that? Can a President just decide to repeal an act of Congress like that? I know he can veto it, but repealing it would seem to be different.

Maybe I’m just uneducated on how it all works.

That’s right, Romney can’t repeal it, only Congress can, and the GOP doesn’t have the votes to do it.

Also, now that people are starting to benefit from the Affordable Health Care act, Republicans would be committing political suicide to take these benefits away from them.

Jim