Supreme Court Ruling on Health Care

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The authority to build roads is in Article 1, Sect 8, where the Constitution delegates the maintaining of the post offices and post roads. Other than that, all other roads were state responsibility, until the Interstate Highway System was established as a military program; the purpose being the rapid transportation of military in times of war, and for use as military runways.
Yes sir. When the whiskey distillers refused to pay their taxes. (a common tendency with distillers) The military had no way to respond in a timely fashion. Jefferson, among others, was doubtful of the Governments right to build the necessary roads.

But, as we’ve seen. The one thing you can quarantee the SCOTUS will up hold.-The governments right to rule!
 
Scott obviously Mickey didn’t read your post. It was not a “cheap perk” but actually a way of paying MORE to attract employees when wages were frozen. A “cheap perk” is a bus pass, not healthcare.

Lisa
Lisa, Healthcare Insurance was cheap, when I started working. It was dirt cheap during WWII. 😉
 
this is bad really bad
Indeed. But it shouldn’t surprise anyone. (Econ 101 is still required in high schools, no? Or was it just in my area of the country?)

No matter. If everyone in the country understood basic economics (it’s not THAT difficult), there is a lot of legislation (including the ACA) that NEVER would have been voted into law.
 
Lisa, Healthcare Insurance was cheap, when I started working. It was dirt cheap during WWII. 😉
And so were wages and so were prices. You can’t compare yesterday’s health insurance dollars with today’s wages. If it were not a significant benefit ath the time, it would not have been used so universally to attract employees. If it were not a significant benefit it would not have been such an important element in union contracts.

However obfuscating will not help your argument. The point was that employer paid healthcare was a direct result of government meddling in the market; wages were frozen and employees were in demand. Instead of letting market forces work and allow wages to increase, health benefits were substituted for raises and bonuses.

Lisa
 
Indeed. But it shouldn’t surprise anyone. (Econ 101 is still required in high schools, no? Or was it just in my area of the country?)

No matter. If everyone in the country understood basic economics (it’s not THAT difficult), there is a lot of legislation (including the ACA) that NEVER would have been voted into law.
Along with understanding Econ 101, having some knowledge of the subject matter might have helped as well. It didn’t go without notice that the doctors in Congress not only warned about this happening but also offered alternative approaches to the problems in our healthcare system–the major issues being cost and access. Instead of focusing on providing patient care, they simply focused on providing insurance. Abyssinia’s post had a clip that I think says it all:

Doctors clearly understand what Washington does not — that a piece of paper that says you are ‘covered’ by insurance or ‘enrolled’ in Medicare or Medicaid does not translate to actual medical care when doctors can’t afford to see patients at the lowball payments, and patients have to jump through government and insurance company bureaucratic hoops,” she said.

It doesn’t matter how pretty your insurance card looks, it’s the doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals who actually provide the care. You think they might have asked for some (name removed by moderator)ut.

Lisa

PS Don’t bring up the AMA…they are a lobbying group and most docs consider them parasites.
 
Meddling with good cause.😉
The worst kind of tyranny is the tyranny for the benefit of the recipient. YOu cannot divorce government control from political control. Government price fixing always causes more problems than they solve.
 
Yes sir. When the whiskey distillers refused to pay their taxes. (a common tendency with distillers) The military had no way to respond in a timely fashion. Jefferson, among others, was doubtful of the Governments right to build the necessary roads.

But, as we’ve seen. The one thing you can quarantee the SCOTUS will up hold.-The governments right to rule!
In this country, the government is us. We don’t have nobility here, noone is born with an inherent claim to the throne. :rolleyes:
 
And so were wages and so were prices. You can’t compare yesterday’s health insurance dollars with today’s wages. If it were not a significant benefit ath the time, it would not have been used so universally to attract employees. If it were not a significant benefit it would not have been such an important element in union contracts.

However obfuscating will not help your argument. The point was that employer paid healthcare was a direct result of government meddling in the market; wages were frozen and employees were in demand. Instead of letting market forces work and allow wages to increase, health benefits were substituted for raises and bonuses.

Lisa
Now your joking. Right?
 
The worst kind of tyranny is the tyranny for the benefit of the recipient. YOu cannot divorce government control from political control. Government price fixing always causes more problems than they solve.
:rolleyes: Oh brother…
 
**The worst kind of tyranny is the tyranny for the benefit of the recipient. ** YOu cannot divorce government control from political control. Government price fixing always causes more problems than they solve.
Why does that sound familiar?
“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” ~C.S. Lewis
 
I suppose it depends what you mean by a welfare state. Not saying that the state can’t do anything, but it can’t do too much. Because, yes, the welfare state has been condemned.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_01051991_centesimus-annus_en.html

I disagree with you about “the ushers” as well but that’s for another time. 🙂
The term is pretty broad. The welfare state established by the British in 1904ff, claimed much less power over its subjects than the French laic state of the time claimed over its citizens.

As to the term,”ushers,” I think this fits the role of the clergy in the Church. They are there to serve Christ and His bride at the Wedding. We others in the Wedding Party much do so also.
 
What does it tell you that them majority of doctor who have trained for years, consider quitting because of ObamaTax. It is a horrible bill and needs to be repealed
uuman.org/pdf/ChickenLittle.pdf

"One day Chicken Little was walking in the woods
when – KERPLUNK – an acorn fell on her head
“Oh my goodness!” said Chicken Little. “The sky is
falling!”
 
What does it tell you that them majority of doctor who have trained for years, consider quitting because of ObamaTax. It is a horrible bill and needs to be repealed
Any act of government that requires people to perform services for less than market value, or even worse, less than the cost of the service itself, makes the doctor a slave of the government. In this case, government has become a tyrant and the people have as much right to overthrow it as they do to kill a robber who enters their house, or a mosquito that is biting them.

Our government has become oppressive and abusive and the people who are being exploited and abused have a right to overthrow it. If you feel like reporting me for sedition, be my guest.

Well…not YOU specifically Aby…you, as in anyone who is reading my post. 😃
 
uuman.org/pdf/ChickenLittle.pdf

"One day Chicken Little was walking in the woods
when – KERPLUNK – an acorn fell on her head
“Oh my goodness!” said Chicken Little. “The sky is
falling!”
You may not think ObamaTax is bad, but a bill that forces employers to pay for services that are opposed to their conscience, a bill that could give the abortion industry nearly $1 billion a year, a bill that the majority of doctors do not think will improve care, a bill that increases premiums and penalises those with a tax = bad to me
 
Any act of government that requires people to perform services for less than market value, or even worse, less than the cost of the service itself, makes the doctor a slave of the government. In this case, government has become a tyrant and the people have as much right to overthrow it as they do to kill a robber who enters their house, or a mosquito that is biting them.

Our government has become oppressive and abusive and the people who are being exploited and abused have a right to overthrow it. If you feel like reporting me for sedition, be my guest.

Well…not YOU specifically Aby…you, as in anyone who is reading my post. 😃
👍 that about sums it up.

Wasn’t Jefferson who said we need a revolution every now and then? Is it time for an American Spring?

It takes ¾ of the states to call for a constitutional convention. If the legislatures act there is nothing the federal Government can do about it except show their true colors and forcibly suppress it. I am writing my state reps. Got to start somewhere.
 
What does it tell you that them majority of doctor who have trained for years, consider quitting because of ObamaTax.
Yes, but are they quitting because they are being taxed or are they quitting because they don’t see that lucrative a profession anymore? If I were to hear that I might be the victim of cost cuts in my profession, I’d certainly look for something else. Just saying.
 
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