Supreme Court Ruling on Same Sex Marriage

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DCNBILL said:
You need to take a look at what a sacrament is and what makes them valid.

I know very well what makes a marriage valid and the impediments of consent, it was part of my training.

What you believe does not change the facts of the matter, (no pun intended). If the couple is unable to consummate the marriage, the sacrament does not exist, it is simple as that.
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you’re wrong. why does the church contract sacramental marriages of old people who are no longer of child bearing age. i think it is arrogant to insist that marriage must produce children. what about couples who cannot have children due to ovarian cancer?
what about child free couples?
i do not insist on children but i can see how others do for themselves. but it is not right to insist on those couples who can’t have children or don’t want them or are past the age to have children. it is not your right to demand sex even within sacramental marriage as that would be considered marital rape. the spouses are not required to have sex on demand which i think is where you going with your argument and women should not put up with it.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Maybe in the “Church-of-What’s-Happening-Now”…if they have sacraments…but not in the Catholic Church.
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right now it is not possible to marry in the catholic church. but you don’t need the church to get married.
 
Vatican2Rocks said:
god didnt marry mary. he had out of wedlock non sex with her. and he did not raise jesus himself. he was a sort of absentee dad…is this really where you want to go?
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Yep!..now I am convinced…you are not a Catholic
 
Vatican2Rocks said:
god didnt marry mary. he had out of wedlock non sex with her. and he did not raise jesus himself. he was a sort of absentee dad…is this really where you want to go?
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II. INSPIRATION AND TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURE
105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69

scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm#124
 
Vatican2Rocks said:
right now it is not possible to marry in the catholic church. but you don’t need the church to get married.
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That’s right. It is called a civil ceremony. If it is between a non- Catholic man and a woman the Church recognizes it as a valid marriage…but not sacramental
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I don’t think you are a Catholic.
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i don’t agree with you. my baptismal cert says i am catholic.
i am under the protection of the holy spirit and i am not bound to you and your way of thinking. you are not my boss. you are not my master
i am master of myself.
i am not a slave of sin but you are.
 
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Vatican2Rocks said:
you’re wrong. why does the church contract sacramental marriages of old people who are no longer of child bearing age. i think it is arrogant to insist that marriage must produce children. what about couples who cannot have children due to ovarian cancer?
what about child free couples?
i do not insist on children but i can see how others do for themselves. but it is not right to insist on those couples who can’t have children or don’t want them or are past the age to have children. it is not your right to demand sex even within sacramental marriage as that would be considered marital rape. the spouses are not required to have sex on demand which i think is where you going with your argument and women should not put up with it.
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At what point do you see me talking about children? Go back and look at my posts please and show me where I made any mention of children.

A Sacrament is valid only if you have the proper form and matter.

In Baptism
From = I Baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Matter = the water, either immersion, poured or sprinkled.

You must have the water if you do not, you have an invalid sacrament, one can not use sand for instance.

In Marriage
Form = Consent of the couple in front of witnesses.
Matter = Sexual intercourse. (nothing about children here)

No intercourse, no sacrament.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Yep!..now I am convinced…you are not a Catholic
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What ?
you can’t handle the truth?
even god admits i am right
he didn’t marry mary…
he didn’t have intercourse with her but still got her pregnant
and he left joseph with the bag while he went out to play around (this is not an endorsement of irresponsible fatherhood even though the bible is full of irresponsible fatherhood by actual humans)
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I don’t think you are a Catholic.
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i don’t agree with you. my baptismal cert says i am catholic.
i am under the protection of the holy spirit and i am not bound to you and your way of thinking. you are not my boss. you are not my master
i am master of myself.
i am not a slave of sin but you are.
 
zz912 said:
The Church defines the Catholic faith, not you. You have rejected Church teaching and your views are not Catholic.
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actually everything i have said is based on church teaching o ye of little faith
 
Vatican2Rocks said:
What ?
you can’t handle the truth?
even god admits i am right
he didn’t marry mary…
he didn’t have intercourse with her but still got her pregnant
and he left joseph with the bag while he went out to play around
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I find this sort of statement very offensive. As a Catholic, I hold Mary and the Holy Family in high esteem. I would humbly request that you find a more respectful way to describe the Incarnation.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I find this sort of statement very offensive. As a Catholic, I hold Mary and the Holy Family in high esteem. I would humbly request that you find a more respectful way to describe the Incarnation.
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I think you are offensive and I bet jesus mary and joseph agree with me.
I don’t think God is offended by what i said. I think your misbehavior is because your arguments are weak as is your faith
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
I find this sort of statement very offensive. As a Catholic, I hold Mary and the Holy Family in high esteem. I would humbly request that you find a more respectful way to describe the Incarnation.
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If you don’t feed them they will go away…
 
Vatican2Rocks said:
i don’t agree with you. my baptismal cert says i am catholic.
i am under the protection of the holy spirit and i am not bound to you and your way of thinking. you are not my boss. you are not my master
i am master of myself.
i am not a slave of sin but you are.
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No, you’re not. The Holy Spirit protects the Church, and you have separated yourself from the Church by rejecting Her teachings.

And Christians call Jesus our Lord and King. We are not masters of ourselves.
 
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