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This is laughable here. Projection at its finest.
No, a Christian cannot accept laws that harm people or endanger their souls.
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Darryl_Revok
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Whenever a moral panic arises–heavy metal music, satanic ritual abuse, AIDS, etc.—the effect on the Christian Right is much akin to a bear wandering into the zone of a bee hive. Whether or not the bear is looking for honey or any threat to the hive itself–or is even alive or stuffed–the queen bee emits an attack pheromone, which spurs the drones to action. Such as it is with the Christian Right and their champions.
It’s not *your *soul to endanger, is it?
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SonOfMan
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If a Christian does nothing to help his brother, God will also hold him responsible. So to answer your question: Yes.
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Darryl_Revok
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“We’re going to help you, whether you like it or not” is an attitude which, historically, has not served the church well in the long run.
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zz912
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“Am I my brother’s keeper?”
You know who said that? You think you should emulate his behavior?
We are called to teach and baptize all nations. If we refuse to carry out His commands, OUR soul is in danger of being damned.
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Darryl_Revok
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Within reason. At what point does a desire for the salvation of others become megalomania? At what point do moral codes become totalitarian doctrine? Where does free will enter into the occasion?
So if someone else doesn’t follow His commands, how is the damnation of *your *soul *their *problem? As I told someone else, it’s not all about you.
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ThinkingSapien
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This kind of reminds me of the debate that followed the proposed law to limit the size of cups in fast food restaurants in the interest of public health. Some felt it was a health decision, others felt that even if it were to have negative health impacts they didn’t want someone limiting their available cup sizes.
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FollowChrist34
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Cup sizes vs. eternal damnation. I love it. I really do. This made my day.
I am certainly not dismissing the painfully clear need for responsible, genuinely well-intended Christian witness and catechism, good God…
Happy Friday!
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KSU
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Originally Posted by Avdima: There have been repeated attempts to link homosexual orientation with pedophilia. Each attempt has failed miserably.
Posted by Monkey1976 in reply:
I have been attempting to get anti-SSM people in this thread to stop using the term pedophilia when they mean pederasty. Pederasty is sex between adult male homosexuals and male adolescents, such as is advocated by NAMBLA and which has so horribly damaged the Church.
Confusing those two terms (pedophilia and pederasty) is a welcome invitation for SSM activists to cause confusion and deny the link between homosexuals and pederasty. Avdima’s clever but not totally honest use of “pedophilia” in posts #428 and #429 is an example.
The attempt to deny the link between homosexuals and pederasty in post #428 by referencing Dr. Fred Berlin and pedophilia, was an annoying example of changing the subject from homosexuality to pedophilia.
BTW, Dr. Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University professor, supported the proposition that pedophiles are unfairly stigmatized and demonized by society. As for Johns Hopkins, it was a participant in the incompetent (I believe dishonest and vile) policy of advising trusting US bishops to allow pederast (homosexual) priests to return to their parish duties.
But, to its well-deserved shame, Johns Hopkins will forever be remembered for the sub-human work of a Dr. Berlin associate, Dr. John William Money religioustolerance.org/transsexu16.htm
Posted by Monkey1976 in reply:
I have been attempting to get anti-SSM people in this thread to stop using the term pedophilia when they mean pederasty. Pederasty is sex between adult male homosexuals and male adolescents, such as is advocated by NAMBLA and which has so horribly damaged the Church.
Confusing those two terms (pedophilia and pederasty) is a welcome invitation for SSM activists to cause confusion and deny the link between homosexuals and pederasty. Avdima’s clever but not totally honest use of “pedophilia” in posts #428 and #429 is an example.
The attempt to deny the link between homosexuals and pederasty in post #428 by referencing Dr. Fred Berlin and pedophilia, was an annoying example of changing the subject from homosexuality to pedophilia.
BTW, Dr. Berlin, a Johns Hopkins University professor, supported the proposition that pedophiles are unfairly stigmatized and demonized by society. As for Johns Hopkins, it was a participant in the incompetent (I believe dishonest and vile) policy of advising trusting US bishops to allow pederast (homosexual) priests to return to their parish duties.
But, to its well-deserved shame, Johns Hopkins will forever be remembered for the sub-human work of a Dr. Berlin associate, Dr. John William Money religioustolerance.org/transsexu16.htm
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ThinkingSapien
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For those that either dont prescribe to the concept of eternal damnation or disagree on what gets you there the comparison might come across as fair at best. For some the cup size really is the more seriois of the two issues two them.
Cup sizes vs. eternal damnation. I love it. I really do. This made my day.
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FollowChrist34
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Out of curiosity, why?For those that either dont prescribe to the concept of eternal damnation or disagree on what gets you there the comparison might come across as fair at best. For some the cup size really is the more seriois of the two issues two them.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Really?
Are you saying that this is “settled science”?
Are you saying that there are NO other studies or research that support my claim?
The John Jay study was flawed.
It was the Vatican, that ORDERED the US Bishops to cease ordaining gay men as priests after the child sex abuse scandal. Because the majority of offenders identified themselves as gay.
Not all gays are pedophiles, but most pedophiles are gay.
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ephesians4
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Sounds a bit like something you imagine about how other people think.
I accept it as a legal reality in the same way people accepted throwing the Christians to the lions as a legal reality, or slavery as a legal reality, or the authority of Senator Incitatus as a legal reality, or the throwing of babies into Carthaginian tophets as a legal reality, or beheading dhimmis as a reality. Frankly the moral authority of temporal legislatures with killing power, or changes in the social code per Sodom and Gemorrah do not make much of a difference. The rules have been set and they do not change, whatever laws Caesar makes.
God’s infinite Power and Mercy allowed us to be here before the fall of the Roman Empire and with His will we will be here after the fall of every human civilisation that exists now, time and time again God has suffered us to confound earthly strength and ferocity with undying faith, and with His Will we will sicken and drown the evil empires of every age with our blood if needed until His Judgment comes, if we are blessed enough to be allowed to do that.
So yeah, I understand it is a legal reality, with all the moral authority that implies.
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EasterJoy
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People are allowed whatever “cup size” they want already. This is more like the Court deciding that it is unfair to for the law to dictate that a person can adopt a child and claim a tax deduction but not fair that someone else cannot adopt a pet and claim the same thing.For those that either dont prescribe to the concept of eternal damnation or disagree on what gets you there the comparison might come across as fair at best. For some the cup size really is the more seriois of the two issues two them.
You don’t even have to think that homosexual acts are immoral to see that this was an unjust ruling. You only have to see that homosexual relationships and heterosexual relationships are unequivocally not the same thing and as a class do not and cannot ever have the identical impact on society.
It isn’t as bad as failing to recognize people as human beings before they can survive outside the wound, but it is a gross failure in judicial recognition, all the same. One has to think it took an extraordinarily willful desire to pretend that life is not the way it is to reach either of these decisions. “If I were God, I would not have done it this way, so now that I can pretend I am God, I’m going to pretend I can create a different reality.”
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Originally Posted by Zoltan Cobalt View Post
The John Jay study was flawed.
The greatest flaw about the study was Margaret Smith’s obvious anti-medical, anti-legal description of its findings. catholicculture.org/news/…?storyid=10422
Not all gays are pedophiles, but most pedophiles are gay.
Not all gays are pederasts, but most pederasts are gay. The true definition of a pedophile almost never includes gays, so it is a favored term of homosexual activists because it can be used to confuse people. In your case, of course it’s clear that you are NOT using the term pedophile to confuse./QUOTE]
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KSU
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KSU;13115083:
Not all gays are pedophiles, but most pedophiles are gay.
Not all gays are pederasts, but most pederasts are gay. The true definition of a pedophile almost never includes gays, so it is a favored term of homosexual activists because it can be used to confuse people. In your case, of course it’s clear that you are NOT using the term pedophile to confuse./QUOTE]
It’s a mystery to me why the above link works in my post #452 but not in your post #453
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ThinkingSapien
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One doesn’t have to exalt one’s self to make decisions on social (human) conventions. The legal system is made, modified, is challenged, and implemented through people. Laws have changed before and will change again.
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Laurent_LUG
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100% OFF-topic (but with the solution for the quote-problem):
Secondly , #452 was literally copy/pasted into 453 , meaning ,
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It’s a mystery to me why the above link works in my post #452 but not in your post #453
- you have forgotten to write the second [ /QUOTE ] (<= without space)
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Secondly , #452 was literally copy/pasted into 453 , meaning ,
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FIFY: FIFY - What does FIFY stand for? The Free Dictionary
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sarah_j
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We can only hope…and pray!
When I think back to just 20 years ago, it’s shocking to see how far evil has
advanced… Even many of my friends and relatives who have been Catholic
from birth support gay “marriage” and question if the Church is correct on other matters
which few Catholics would have questioned only a couple of decades ago.
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With the White House lit up like a rainbow, I can't help but feel that AmericaThe government itself is acting to divide us, straight from homosexual,
black from white, Northern from Southern, and to fill us with anger and hatred
for one another…who can doubt the evil which is
marching through this country ?
I’m praying that a good MORAL candidate for the Presidency will show up
** soon** to lead us out of this quagmire… please, God. :byzsoc:
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