Supreme Court Ruling on Same Sex Marriage

[EasterJoy]

he’s not attracted to her even though he is having sex with her.
he is married to her because society would not condone him marrying a person who he is truly in love with and attracted to. therefore it is not sacramental.

then there is the wife’s side. she is married to someone who is not attracted to her and she is being used as a coverup for him to look good in society’s eyes. this is not sacramental.

Again, you do not understand marriage. If you are capable of consummating marriage with each other and you both freely agree to consummate the marriage and you both consent to the marriage and all the duties and goods that come with marriage, you can have a valid marriage. Where you got the idea that a couple is not married if they are not sufficiently “attracted,” I have no idea. A person may not lie or hide anything in order to obtain consent to marry, but if there was no deception a couple is completely free to marry each other regardless of this emotional state you call being “attracted.” If there is enough “attraction” to lead the parties to want to be husband and wife, then that is enough attraction for a marriage.

 

[zz912]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-
you’re a literalist
even though you are a recent convert from protestantism you still hold vestiges of the false protestant teachings and their mindset.

have you read the book of galations?

you should read my post history from july 12-13 on this and one other thread.

i have provided sources from the catechism on sacramental marriage and homosexuality, the bible, and the very good book on chastity and its excellent discussion of personal sexual attraction. I have also taken college level courses in human sexuality and one on marriage. I do not take the bible literally and i do not espouse protestant teachings. All of this plus the very learned and experienced advice from a tribunal judge of annulments and a reading of the canon law has led me to the conclusion that homosexuals should be permitted to marry each other. it is an act of justice and love.

I’m not the one who is “protesting” a defined, unchangeable teaching of the Church. Who’s the Protestant between the two of us?

You can cite your fallible and flawed understanding of the Bible and other sources, but that’s all it is. Your flawed opinion. I can point to the Church and her completely clear teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

You cannot understand the nature of marriage, or you could not write this.

Catholics who want to “marry” someone of their own sex do not have to wait for the Church to make up its mind. The question is decided. It is impossible for two persons of the same sex to contract any marriage at all, and therefore it is impossible for two baptized persons of the same sex to contract a sacramental marriage! It isn’t mean to say it. It is just the truth.
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Can. 1055 §1.* The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

**§2. **For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament

Can. 1084 §1. Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature.

Two persons of the same sex cannot have intercourse with each other. It is impossible. Therefore, they cannot marry.

the fact that 2 people of the same sex cannot reproduce is irrelevent. they can still get married. now you know why you lost the argument on the civil plane.

 

[zz912]

the fact that 2 people of the same sex cannot reproduce is irrelevent. they can still get married. now you know why you lost the argument on the civil plane.

This is contrary to the Catholic faith.

 

[EasterJoy]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh-
you’re a literalist
even though you are a recent convert from protestantism you still hold vestiges of the false protestant teachings and their mindset.

have you read the book of galations?

you should read my post history from july 12-13 on this and one other thread.

i have provided sources from the catechism on sacramental marriage and homosexuality, the bible, and the very good book on chastity and its excellent discussion of personal sexual attraction. I have also taken college level courses in human sexuality and one on marriage. I do not take the bible literally and i do not espouse protestant teachings. All of this plus the very learned and experienced advice from a tribunal judge of annulments and a reading of the canon law has led me to the conclusion that homosexuals should be permitted to marry each other. it is an act of justice and love.

Why don’t you lead yourself to believe the explicit teaching of the Church, as laid out by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops?

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/same-sex-unions/

From
usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/promotion-and-defense-of-marriage/questions-and-answers-about-marriage-and-same-sex-unions.cfm
(underline mine)
"*3. Why can marriage exist only between a man and a woman?

The natural structure of human sexuality makes man and woman complementary partners for the transmission of human life. Only a union of male and female can express the sexual complementarity willed by God for marriage. The permanent and exclusive commitment of marriage is the necessary context for the expression of sexual love intended by God both to serve the transmission of human life and to build up the bond between husband and wife (see CCC, nos. 1639-1640).

In marriage, husband and wife give themselves totally to each other in their masculinity and femininity (see CCC, no. 1643). They are equal as human beings but different as man and woman, fulfilling each other through this natural difference. This unique complementarity makes possible the conjugal bond that is the core of marriage.

4. Why is a same-sex union not equivalent to a marriage?

For several reasons a same-sex union contradicts the nature of marriage: It is not
based on the natural complementarity of male and female; it cannot cooperate with God to create new life; and the natural purpose of sexual union cannot be achieved by a same-sex union. Persons in same-sex unions cannot enter into a true conjugal union. Therefore, it is wrong to equate their relationship to a marriage."*

 

[DCNBILL]

the fact that 2 people of the same sex cannot reproduce is irrelevent. they can still get married. now you know why you lost the argument on the civil plane.

It would seem that you do not understand the Catholic position here. To have a Sacramental Marriage there are two requirements, form and matter, both have to be present to validate the Marriage. The form in this case is the consent between the couple. The matter in this case is the consummation of the couple, the sexual intercourse between the man and the woman. Same sex partners are unable to participate in the “matter” of this Sacrament hence they are unable to contract a valid Sacramental Marriage.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

I’m not the one who is “protesting” a defined, unchangeable teaching of the Church. Who’s the Protestant between the two of us?

You can cite your fallible and flawed understanding of the Bible and other sources, but that’s all it is. Your flawed opinion. I can point to the Church and her completely clear teaching that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

your interpretation of the bible is wrong.
galileo said the world was round and the bible-o-philes and the catholic church were proven wrong.
according to the footnotes in my catholic bible and probably not your protestant bible, the prophets did not agree on the sodom and gomorrah story. here it is again
genesis chapter 18
usccb.org/bible/genesis/18

"* [18:20] The immorality of the cities was already hinted at in 13:13, when Lot made his choice to live there.
The “outcry” comes from the victims of the injustice and violence rampant in the city, which will shortly be illustrated in the treatment of the visitors.
The outcry of the Hebrews under the harsh treatment of Pharaoh (Ex 3:7) came up to God who reacts in anger at mistreatment of the poor (cf. Ex 22:21–23; Is 5:7). Sodom and Gomorrah became** types **of sinful cities in biblical literature.

Is 1:9–10; 3:9 sees their sin as lack of social justice,
Ez 16:46–51, as disregard for the poor, and
Jer 23:14, as general immorality.

In the Genesis story, the sin is violation of the sacred duty of hospitality by the threatened rape of Lot’s guests."

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

This is contrary to the Catholic faith.

not allowing them to get married is contrary to justice chastity and love
the jews wrote the bible and i am not jewish. i am catholic. i do not follow the jewish faith and teachings. i reject it.

don’t worry though they can get married now without you. you won’t be invited to the wedding.

 

[ephesians4]

Side note (minor pet peeve), a person who is homosexual can still live a happy and ordered life without marriage. The celibate life is just a different vocation that we seem to have forgotten about. Too often the connotation is that unless you get married, you will live a life of loneliness that is unfullfilling.But that’s a diffent topic for a different thread.

An important point and a bit thoughtless of me - sorry…

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

It would seem that you do not understand the Catholic position here. To have a Sacramental Marriage there are two requirements, form and matter, both have to be present to validate the Marriage. The form in this case is the consent between the couple. The matter in this case is the consummation of the couple, the sexual intercourse between the man and the woman. Same sex partners are unable to participate in the “matter” of this Sacrament hence they are unable to contract a valid Sacramental Marriage.

you do not understand the principles of what makes a marriage null and void. there can be impediments to consent and consummation does not always lead to children.

i believe homosexuals are able to contract a sacramental marriage as do others without the benefit of children.

 

[zz912]

not allowing them to get married is contrary to justice chastity and love the jews wrote the bible and i am not jewish. i am catholic. i do not follow the jewish faith and teachings. i reject it.

don’t worry though they can get married now without you. you won’t be invited to the wedding.

That Catholic faith disagrees with and rejects your personal opinion.

 

[zz912]

you do not understand the principles of what makes a marriage null and void. there can be impediments to consent and consummation does not always lead to children.

i believe homosexuals are able to contract a sacramental marriage as do others without the benefit of children.

Your beliefs are wrong, and are not Catholic.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

Why don’t you lead yourself to believe the explicit teaching of the Church, as laid out by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops?

usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/same-sex-unions/

From
usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/promotion-and-defense-of-marriage/questions-and-answers-about-marriage-and-same-sex-unions.cfm
(underline mine)
"3. Why can marriage exist only between a man and a woman?

The natural structure of human sexuality makes man and woman complementary partners for the transmission of human life. Only a union of male and female can express the sexual complementarity willed by God for marriage. The permanent and exclusive commitment of marriage is the necessary context for the expression of sexual love intended by God both to serve the transmission of human life and to build up the bond between husband and wife (see CCC, nos. 1639-1640).

In marriage, husband and wife give themselves totally to each other in their masculinity and femininity (see CCC, no. 1643). They are equal as human beings but different as man and woman, fulfilling each other through this natural difference. This unique complementarity makes possible the conjugal bond that is the core of marriage.

4. Why is a same-sex union not equivalent to a marriage?

For several reasons a same-sex union contradicts the nature of marriage: It is not
based on the natural complementarity of male and female; it cannot cooperate with God to create new life; and the natural purpose of sexual union cannot be achieved by a same-sex union. Persons in same-sex unions cannot enter into a true conjugal union. Therefore, it is wrong to equate their relationship to a marriage."

so are you willing to marry a homosexual and help to reproduce new homosexual people?

 

[DCNBILL]

you do not understand the principles of what makes a marriage null and void. there can be impediments to consent and consummation does not always lead to children.

i believe homosexuals are able to contract a sacramental marriage as do others without the benefit of children.

You need to take a look at what a sacrament is and what makes them valid.

I know very well what makes a marriage valid and the impediments of consent, it was part of my training.

What you believe does not change the facts of the matter, (no pun intended). If the couple is unable to consummate the marriage, the sacrament does not exist, it is simple as that.

 

[Vatican2Rocks]

Your beliefs are wrong, and are not Catholic.

I’m catholic and i’m right. you’ll see.

 

[zz912]

your interpretation of the bible is wrong.

The interpretation agrees with the Church.

galileo said the world was round and the bible-o-philes and the catholic church were proven wrong.

The Catholic Church never taught the world was flat. Please educate yourself and stop spreading falsehood.

according to the footnotes in my catholic bible and probably not your protestant bible, the prophets did not agree on the sodom and gomorrah story. here it is again
genesis chapter 18

In the Genesis story, the sin is violation of the sacred duty of hospitality by the threatened rape of Lot’s guests."

The notes in my Catholic bible are different from the wayward interpretation of your bible. I’ll stick with the Church over your interpretation and opinion.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

the jews wrote the bible and i am not jewish. i am catholic. i do not follow the jewish faith and teachings. i reject it.

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The “Jews” wrote the Old Testament. Christians wrote the New Testament. As a Catholic you should know these things.

 

[zz912]

I’m catholic and i’m right. you’ll see.

The Church defines the Catholic faith, not you. You have rejected Church teaching and your views are not Catholic.

 

[estesbob]

The “Jews” wrote the Old Testament. Christians wrote the New Testament. As a Catholic you should know these things.

No-God wrote them both.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

i believe homosexuals are able to contract a sacramental marriage as do others without the benefit of children.

Maybe in the “Church-of-What’s-Happening-Now”…if they have sacraments…but not in the Catholic Church.