Supreme Court strikes down key provisions, but not all, of Arizona immigration law

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estesbob said:
I am not comfortable with the provision they did uphold. i can not see any way this provision will not focus on Hispanics. My sister-in-law is Hispanic and she and my brother travel extensively. They refuse to drive through Arizona because of this provision and I dont blame them
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Thats funny. I have caucasian relatives and they refuse to drive through Arizona where the signs are posted saying that it is not safe due to ‘Drug and Human Smuggling’

See here: foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/29/brewer-slams-administration-smuggler-warning-signs-arizona-desert/
 
austenbosten said:
Oy Vey no wonder this country is doomed…people can’t even read! :banghead:

SB 1070

A Driver’s license counts, those psycho-Leftists thinking this will racially profile Latinos, this bill does a very poor job finding illegals, since many illegals have Driver’s licenses. :rolleyes:
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Well this is a first. I have been referred to as a Psycho leftist.! Psyco I may be-Leftist? :confused:
 
estesbob said:
Well this is a first. I have been referred to as a Psycho leftist.! Psyco I may be-Leftist? :confused:
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I’m referring to Leftists in general not you. Most people have concerns but have not taken a complete side. The Leftists cry racism but this law is really weak.
 
I think the Supreme Court decision makes a lot of sense. States can’t pass immigration laws/crimes thus those were all struck down. But to say that a police officer can’t act on reasonable suspicion of a crime doesn’t make any sense, and that was upheld. Like all police enforcement, it can be done in a professional and respectful manner or in an unconstitutional manner (i.e. racial profiling). That’s an element that is part of every police enforcement issue so to single it out here would set a bad precedent. There is recourse to the state legislature if people don’t like the law.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
My brother-in-law is Hispanic and I am comfortable with it. Same reason I am comfortable being stopped at random sobriety checkpoints in my region: because I do not drink and drive. I feel fine being stopped because I have nothing to hide or dodge from. Nor does my brother-in-law. When one is Hispanic one can be often stopped in Mexico, by the way.
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Being stopped for sobriety checkpoints is not the samething-sorry. If one is white I am sure they have no problem with it. What is next? Stopping someone because they look Asian? Arab? African? Gestapo tactics!

Being stopped in Mexico because one looks like an illegal immigrant?
 
ringil said:
If a cop wants to pull you over they will find a reason. They do it all the time.
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That’s true, there’s bad apples everywhere. But there’s a common sense reality that we’re overlooking here. Yes, a police officer can usually find a reason to pull someone over. But there’s a time factor involved here. If an officer has pulled you over, then there’s other people driving by and doing other things which he cannot see or deal with. Its not a good use of their time to randomly target people and they’re going to have to eventually answer to their Sargent or Chief if there’s issues/problems in their sector while their log shows a whole bunch of nonsense pullovers/stops.
 
austenbosten said:
Umm lets see, I lived in two places where I know both whites and blacks would be questioned their legal residency or citizenship. New York City, because of the numerous Russian immigrants in Brighton Beach and here in Columbus where we have a huge Somali population. :rolleyes:

And Estesbob, all you need is a valid driver’s license der! If you are an alien, you still have to carry your green card or other immigrant documents as perscribed by Federal Law. :doh2:
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Uhhh… No that is not quite true… Eric Holder and the Obama administration only uphold certain laws that they like. So the Federal Law you cite is really irrlevant.😉
 
Police “check points” aren’t relevant. It’s not like the Arizona police are now going to set up check points for the purpose of then asking everyone to produce a driver’s license or other forms of ID. The legal resident issue is only raised after a lawful stop for a violation of some sort.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
When one is Hispanic one can be often stopped in Mexico, by the way.
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And that’s not exactly an endorsement of random stops. The Mexican police are notorious for random pullovers looking for bribes…
 
estesbob said:
Again I can not see how it will not. How many whites and blacks are going to be asked to proves their citizenship. If you were pulled over today could you prove you were a citizen? I couldn’t.
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You don’t have a driver’s license?
 
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Uhhh… No that is not quite true… Erich Holder and the Obama administration only uphold certain laws that they like. So the Federal Law you cite is really irrlevant.😉

Ah rats, I keep forgetting we live in a post-Constitutional America. :doh2:
 
NewEnglandPriest said:
That’s true, there’s bad apples everywhere. But there’s a common sense reality that we’re overlooking here. Yes, a police officer can usually find a reason to pull someone over. But there’s a time factor involved here. If an officer has pulled you over, then there’s other people driving by and doing other things which he cannot see or deal with. Its not a good use of their time to randomly target people and they’re going to have to eventually answer to their Sargent or Chief if there’s issues/problems in their sector while their log shows a whole bunch of nonsense pullovers/stops.
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Something to consider. Thanks Father.
 
estesbob said:
I am not comfortable with the provision they did uphold. i can not see any way this provision will not focus on Hispanics. My sister-in-law is Hispanic and she and my brother travel extensively. They refuse to drive through Arizona because of this provision and I dont blame them
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I lived in Arizona for several years and it is a racist state.
 
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