Supreme Court to give historic Parliament suspension ruling

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Rob2 said:
We are seeing the true face of the Nasty Party , and that’s what the Tories on the whole have always been .
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Have they always been the Nasty Party, even “on the whole”? If you are old enough to remember Attlee as prime minister then you are quite a bit older than me and will have a longer memory of the Tories. This is interesting for me because I grew up believing that the Tories were indeed the Nasty Party, but that’s because the first Conservative prime minister I remember is Margaret Thatcher. But the more I have read about postwar British history, the more I have had to revise my assumptions about the Tories. It’s unreasonable to include Churchill because during his postwar premiership he was to some extent prime minister in name only and enjoying the legacy of his wartime coalition leadership. Anthony Eden actually was quite nasty, not least because even while he was waging war against Nazi Germany he was himself an anti-Semite. But I would struggle to describe the Tory Party under Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas-Home, and Edward Heath as the Nasty Party. Admittedly, that’s a period of about 18 years and Douglas-Home was leader for less than two years and prime minister for less than a year, which isn’t much to go on. But one could hardly put Macmillan and Heath in the same category as Boris Johnson.
 
Update.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177244160681795584

Unfortunately the sick individuals flooding her phone with verbal abuse are quoting the very words used by our Prime Minister yesterday in the House of Commons.

This is horrendous. Just horrendous.

Politicians & tabloid newspapers must immediately desist from the language of “betrayal”, “traitors”, “enemies of the people” and yes “fascists”. This is not liberal democracy but Jacobin lynchmob mentality.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177251123046080513

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Londoner said:
Have they always been the Nasty Party, even “on the whole”?
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I think the meaning of “Nasty Party” has changed. It used to mean simply the party that doesn’t do the things we on the Left think nice — doesn’t spend enough on the NHS, takes the bosses’ side against the unions, likes draconian punishments for criminals etc. The nastiness rampant today on the right is a whole deal more unpleasant: xenophobic, racist, followers of pre-Victorian economics, and working by the Bannonite “win by provoking anger” electoral methodology.
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one could hardly put Macmillan and Heath in the same category as Boris Johnson
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Absolutely not. Macmillan’s Middle Way politics was formed by his horror at the poverty he saw when he stood for Parliament in Stockton.
 
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Daughter of Yvette Cooper speaks of fear for her mother's safety

In wake of comments by Boris Johnson, Ellie Cooper tweets about real fear caused by inflammatory language in politics
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1177203300887928834

Yvette Cooper is a Labour MP and again voted Remain in the Referendum.

She has been called a “traitor” by Brexit activists earlier this year:

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Labour's Yvette Cooper branded 'traitor' by FURIOUS constituents

REMAINER Labour MP Yvette Cooper was branded a “traitor” by her Leave-supporting constituents attending a Brexit Party rally earlier this month.
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Have to laugh now. Johnson has become so bad that he’s starting to sound like a paid agent to take Brexit down. A traitor to the Brexit cause in disguise, if you will. In the meantime, the government is in pieces and yet the Remainers still won’t allow an election of any sort any time soon. Have to remember what they think of the people voting “incorrectly”; that is the only reasonable explanation why no election call yet, they can’t risk that today. The mess has gotten messier, that is for certain.
 
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Have they always been the Nasty Party, even “on the whole”?
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It would be hard to find any Conservative leader who has behaved in such a way as the Boris behaves .

Labour had been partners with the Conservatives in the national government during the war , with Attlee Deputy Prime Minister .

That didn’t prevent Churchill in the 1945 General Election campaign from saying that if Labour were elected it would need to “fall back on some kind of Gestapo” to implement its policies. That was a shameful thing to say at that time .

Macmillan was a “One Nation Conservative” and not much different than the Labour Prime Ministers Wilson and Callaghan .

Douglas-Home , PM for less than a year was an ineffective stop-gap after Macmillan had to resign because of the scandals which engulfed the Conservatives . He was harmless .

Heath , beginning as a Sesldon Man (Selsdon Group - Wikipedia) soon changed tack when he had to face reality .

The Thatcher years speak for themselves.

But this guy now in 10 Downing Street is unique . He wreaks .

You know how bad he is when the BBC News’ political editor Laura Kuenssberg says , as she did yesterday , " Parliament tonight was a place of fear and loathing ."
 
So even if Johnson managed to remove the backstop (impossible though it is), a significant number of Brexiteers still wouldn’t vote in favour of a deal in a second referendum but neither do they want ‘no deal’.

Remain now wins in all three of the hypothetical leave scenarios (no deal, May’s deal, deal without backstop/Johnson unicorn deal) in a second plebiscite.
 
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The polls supported Remain last time, yet Leave won. So there is still risk to the Remainers. Don’t forget also that should a referendum be seriously discussed, there will be a huge fight, a knockdown, drag out fight over the wording. I just can not see an agreement being reached over that one.

But the far more important reason for no second referendum is that the Remainer elite do not want to see any more precedents regarding the people being allowed to vote directly. Says here the next general elections will not be called until the Remainer elites have some certainty that the way the people vote won’t have much effect on the desired result. So as I said before, Johnson will be cornered into obtaining the extension, only when that is a done deal might we see early elections. Not one moment before, I’m fairly certain of that. So we have a few more weeks of this circus.
 
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Have to laugh now. Johnson has become so bad that he’s starting to sound like a paid agent to take Brexit down. A traitor to the Brexit cause in disguise, if you will. In the meantime, the government is in pieces and yet the Remainers still won’t allow an election of any sort any time soon. Have to remember what they think of the people voting “incorrectly”; that is the only reasonable explanation why no election call yet, they can’t risk that today. The mess has gotten messier, that is for certain.
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This Parliament is barely two years old, not to mention it was the post-Referendum Parliament. It has no obligation to honor any demand by the PM to dissolve itself.
 
Amber Rudd, who was one of the few original Remain voters left in Johnson’s cabinet until she resigned and had been a ‘May dealer’, has now come round to supporting a second referendum:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177129487361818624

As Goodwin (who is no Remainer) has noted, the resistance to a second referendum is coming from Brexiteer and deal-supporting Labour & Tory MPs.

Remainer Labour, ex-Tory, Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru…all Remainer MPs support a second referendum and have done for longer than a year.

Now, it seems that pro-deal Labour and ex-Mayite Tories (like Rudd) have also been brought closer to accepting a second referendum courtesy of Johnson’s abysmal rhetoric and actions, which have alarmed them:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...s-language-labour-mps-warn/ar-AAHT5mO?ocid=st
Boris Johnson was today warned by Labour MPs that he had damaged his chances of getting a new Brexit deal through the Commons with his “crass and dangerous” language.

The Prime Minister caused uproar in the Commons last night as he repeatedly clashed with MPs, rejected calls to temper his language, including branding anti-no-deal legislation a surrender act, and said the best way to honour Jo Cox — the pro-Remain Labour MP killed by far-Right loner just days before the 2016 referendum — was to “get Brexit done” .

Mr Johnson also dismissed as “humbug” Labour MP Paula Sherriff’s claim that like Mrs Cox, many parliamentarians faced death threats from people using the same sort of language as him.

Diane Abbott, shadow home secretary, said last night’s performance had put off MPs from offering cross-party support to a Brexit deal. “I have spoken to people who might want to consider a Boris Johnson deal but that is over,” she told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

Stephen Kinnock, leading a group of about 20 Labour MPs willing to strike a Brexit deal with the Government, said: “We can’t have a politics that rediscovers the lost art of compromise if people are using incendiary and inflammatory language.”
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There had been a cohort of 26 pro-Brexit-deal Labour parliamentarians opposed to the Labour party’s new official stance of supporting a second referendum. If Johnson has compelled them to shift, then its game, set and match.
 
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Sky News correspondent an hour ago:

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As for Johnson himself:

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Boris Johnson refuses to say sorry for remarks about murdered MP Jo Cox

PM’s adviser Dominic Cummings claims that only carrying out Brexit will calm tensions
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Boris Johnson has refused to apologise in the face of criticism that he is inciting hatred against MPs, as he briefed his cabinet on preparations for a populist election campaign that will accuse his opponents of “surrender” to the EU.

In the face of widespread condemnation for his inflammatory rhetoric, the prime minister vowed to carry on referring to the Benn law against no-deal Brexit as the “surrender bill”.

He also declined to retract his comments about the murder of Jo Cox, after saying the best way to honour her memory was to “get Brexit done”.
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He really is a nasty piece of work, won’t even heed his own sister.
 
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Vouthon said:
He really is a nasty piece of work, won’t even heed his own sister.
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The Boris likes to get his own way , but becoming Prime Minister has shown him that you don’t .

He will be fuming at the verdict of the Supreme Court .

He will be livid that Parliament puts him in his place .

He will be seething that it all happened so publicly when he was visiting to USA , having to cut short his visit and leave his buddy the Trump .

The spoiled brat .

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www.theguardian.com

'My blood was boiling': readers on Johnson's comments in parliament

You have been reacting to divisive comments made in parliament by Boris Johnson last night
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www.mirror.co.uk

Voice of the Mirror: Boris Johnson has no shame - and he has shamed his office

In his disgraceful speech to Parliament, Johnson showed no humility, no contrition and no dignity. By rejecting the Supreme Court’s ruling he shows he thinks he is above the law
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www.bbc.co.uk

MPs' fury at Boris Johnson's 'dangerous language'

Labour MPs refer to murdered MP Jo Cox as they ask the PM to refrain from using "offensive" language.
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www.irishtimes.com

Boris Johnson refuses to apologise to Jo Cox’s family for Commons remarks

Bercow warns MPs of ‘toxic’ culture as government loses vote for three-day recess
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www.thetimes.co.uk

Boris Johnson faces backlash over Jo Cox remark

Boris Johnson is facing a backlash from parliamentarians and the widower of Jo Cox for using an extraordinary appearance in the Commons to tell MPs that they must deliver Brexit in order to be “properly safe”. Labour MPs had urged Mr Johnson to moderate his language, saying that his words were being
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This is getting seriously disturbing now.

After the Prime Minister’s authoritarian-style populism in the House of Commons, this morning two Brexit activists - Brendan O’Neill, editor of the right-wing ‘libertarian’ magazine Spiked and the young ideologue Darren Grimes - actually incited their followers to street violence on live TV.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177549862348480512

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177556616243240961

https://twitter.com/x/status/1177511391864840193

The videos need to be watched.

I am reminded, to quote theacademic Jonathan Israel, of: “Jacobin ideology & culture under Robespierre [which] was an obsessive Rousseauiste moral Puritanism steeped in authoritarianism, anti-intellectualism & xenophobia.” And as another historian Ruth Scurr put it, Robespierre wanted a "democracy for the people…democracy very different from anything we would recognise today…He knew that he owed his power to the people’s propensity for violence…mob violence was there to be compromised with, not censured".

This is right-wing Jacobinism.
 
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