Survey: Religious superiors support possibility of women deacons

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i could make that in areas of law I don’t like, too . . . and I could do that without moving somewhere else.

I can think of another $400k I’d like to spend (a house in a different neighborhood with a 15 car garage), another couple hundred thousand (classic cadillacs to tinker with in that garage), and I’d like an overnight extra ten years of return in my retirement accounts (I’d retire the next money to play with those cadillacs. My will generate more than my wants with another 7-10years).

It’s only money, which comes in three sizes: not enough, enough, and more than enough.

I’ve had all three at various points, and my lis wasn’t all that different between them. I can give away more at more than enough, though.

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MikeInVA said:
I said that when a progressive institution asks progressives for their opinion on a progressive issue the results will be skewed.
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In any case, I certainly hope that decisions about deaconnesses are not made on the basis of surveys.
I don’t know of many dioceses where women attendants are necessary for nude baptisms.
 
Surveys like this are a waste of time.

If by deacons it means being ordained then there is no chance EVER of women becoming deacons. It is IMPOSSIBLE.
 
Oh brilliant! the next I’m gonna hear there will be a girl pope because there was rumor during the middle ages that a girl became pope.
 
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If by deacons it means being ordained then there is no chance EVER of women becoming deacons.
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They can change the words from being ordained to being installed. Then there is no restriction for a woman to be installed as a deaconess.
 
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Oh brilliant! the next I’m gonna hear there will be a girl pope because there was rumor during the middle ages that a girl became pope.
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That there were deaconesses is no rumour. There is biblical support for it.
I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cen′chre-ae, 2 that you may receive her in the Lord as befits the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a helper of many and of myself as well. (Romans 16:1-2)
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What is less clear is whether deaconesses were an ordained ministry.
 
AlNg said:
They can change the words from being ordained to being installed. Then there is no restriction for a woman to be installed as a deaconess.
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This.
OraLabora said:
What is less clear is whether deaconesses were an ordained ministry.
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Given that they still exist in multiple churches both Catholic and Orthodox, and are clearly neither ordained nor clergy, there is no lack of clarity.

edit: That, and the fact that the councils made clear that they are laity . . .

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You’ve missed the old saying, which I invented: There’s no such thing as too much money.

However, the temptation to do wrong with it, at the expense of people, can be a bit overwhelming for some. According to what God has given us, we are to help the poor.
 
What are these women deacons supposed to do?
 
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If it were possible, women deacons would presumably do the same things as male deacons.

For deaconesses, it’s not merely a matter of “would”, but what they actually do.

They function in largely the same service roles and ministries as deacons, but not the liturgical roles.

hawk
 
I chose, years ago, paths that would give me more time with family, at the expense of much more money.

Many of the things that I could do also come with, for me, very high stress levels that aren’t healthy.

hawk
 
Apple is now a $1 Trillion Dollar company. I don’t see what’s stopping them from going for their second trillion. They might buy Amazon which is languishing in the $900+ billions.
 
The Lepanto institute is hardly the source I’d use for unbiased reporting on such issues.

Ultimately it’s something that will be decided by the Vatican and not the Lepanto Institute.

I don’t have a dog in this fight; in the Benedictine spirit I will go with whatever the Vatican decides. But it will be the Vatican deciding, not the Lepanto Institute. If I were a betting man though, I’d say that the Vatican will have deaconesses some day, but they won’t be ordained. After all a woman can be the Abbess of a monastery, something far above a deaconess; an abbess is equal to an abbot, except that an abbot is (at least these days) almost always already ordained, an abbess is not. An abbess, or abbot for that matter, is installed, or rather receives the abbatial blessing.

It wouldn’t be too far a stretch to do something similar for deaconesses.
 
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OraLabora said:
…I will go with whatever the Vatican decides. But it will be the Vatican deciding, not the Lepanto Institute. If I were a betting man though, I’d say that the Vatican will have deaconesses some day, but they won’t be ordained. After all a woman can be the Abbess of a monastery, something far above a deaconess; an abbess is equal to an abbot, except that an abbot is (at least these days) almost always already ordained, an abbess is not. An abbess, or abbot for that matter, is installed, or rather receives the abbatial blessing.

It wouldn’t be too far a stretch to do something similar for deaconesses.
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+1

And, they can adjust the canon law to expressly state that only those persons (men) who are validly ordained can be created Cardinal.
 
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